Rachel Abrams

A literal post-it note.

And the message is really clear. They have arrived.

And the message is really clear. They have arrived.

Justify your job.

Justify your job.

Right. They're really trying to send the message that we've arrived. This conversation goes one way. We ask the questions. What's the next big thing that happens last week?

Right. They're really trying to send the message that we've arrived. This conversation goes one way. We ask the questions. What's the next big thing that happens last week?

So he's basically encouraging people to leave the government entirely and do something, quote unquote, more productive in the private sector, which I can imagine if you're a civil servant, that feels like you're being treated with contempt.

So he's basically encouraging people to leave the government entirely and do something, quote unquote, more productive in the private sector, which I can imagine if you're a civil servant, that feels like you're being treated with contempt.

OK, so let me see if I understand this. Musk sends his guys in there. They demand access to this very sensitive system. It runs all the payments for the federal government. Somebody tries to resist and that guy basically, quote unquote, retires, meaning maybe gets fired. And then they get in the pipes anyway.

OK, so let me see if I understand this. Musk sends his guys in there. They demand access to this very sensitive system. It runs all the payments for the federal government. Somebody tries to resist and that guy basically, quote unquote, retires, meaning maybe gets fired. And then they get in the pipes anyway.

Why do we think Musk wants access to the actual system? Like, why does he even want his people in there reading?

Why do we think Musk wants access to the actual system? Like, why does he even want his people in there reading?

It seems, Jonathan, that the fundamental sort of animus and feeling underneath all of these actions that you've described, the email, getting inside the pipes of Treasury, is this basic distrust or even disdain of government operations.

It seems, Jonathan, that the fundamental sort of animus and feeling underneath all of these actions that you've described, the email, getting inside the pipes of Treasury, is this basic distrust or even disdain of government operations.

We'll be right back. So Jonathan you mentioned earlier that Elon Musk set his sights on entire agencies. What did you mean by that? What did he do?

We'll be right back. So Jonathan you mentioned earlier that Elon Musk set his sights on entire agencies. What did you mean by that? What did he do?

Is Musk just allowed to come in and shut down an entire agency just like that? I mean, is Trump fully supportive of this?

Is Musk just allowed to come in and shut down an entire agency just like that? I mean, is Trump fully supportive of this?

In other words, demon mode, as we described earlier.