Rachel Abrams

As you've said, the anti-abortion activists are trying to use these cases to challenge the shield law in New York. And so I'm curious, what is the next step for Texas and Louisiana to potentially continue to challenge this?

On what basis will the red states even try to challenge these laws?

On what basis will the red states even try to challenge these laws?

I mean, I understand that, right? Because the alternative would probably be chaos. Like if states could just pick and choose what other states' laws they were going to respect. So I do wonder, what do blue states say in response to that?

I mean, I understand that, right? Because the alternative would probably be chaos. Like if states could just pick and choose what other states' laws they were going to respect. So I do wonder, what do blue states say in response to that?

I realize that shield laws are not at the Supreme Court yet, and they would take a really long time to wind their way there. But if they do make it in front of SCOTUS, and if SCOTUS does decide that shield laws are unconstitutional, I wonder what happens to Dr. Carpenter. And I also wonder what happens to abortion just generally across the country.

I realize that shield laws are not at the Supreme Court yet, and they would take a really long time to wind their way there. But if they do make it in front of SCOTUS, and if SCOTUS does decide that shield laws are unconstitutional, I wonder what happens to Dr. Carpenter. And I also wonder what happens to abortion just generally across the country.

Pam, when the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, part of the idea at the time was that they would just send back to the states this decision about how to handle abortion. So if states wanted it to be legal, they could make it legal. If they didn't want it to be legal, that was up to them. And that would settle it, was the thinking. And you do have a patchwork of laws as a result.

Pam, when the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, part of the idea at the time was that they would just send back to the states this decision about how to handle abortion. So if states wanted it to be legal, they could make it legal. If they didn't want it to be legal, that was up to them. And that would settle it, was the thinking. And you do have a patchwork of laws as a result.

But what you also have are states kind of openly fighting with each other, too. And I just sort of wonder if you anticipated that.

But what you also have are states kind of openly fighting with each other, too. And I just sort of wonder if you anticipated that.

Pam, thank you so much. Thank you. We'll be right back. Here's what else you need to know today. Over the weekend, President Trump called for an end to the war in Gaza, capping off a week of sharp rebukes from some of Israel's closest allies since the war started more than 18 months ago.

Pam, thank you so much. Thank you. We'll be right back. Here's what else you need to know today. Over the weekend, President Trump called for an end to the war in Gaza, capping off a week of sharp rebukes from some of Israel's closest allies since the war started more than 18 months ago.

The shift in tone from the president and countries including Germany, Britain, Canada and France indicate that Israel's strongest partners are beginning to lose patience with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

The shift in tone from the president and countries including Germany, Britain, Canada and France indicate that Israel's strongest partners are beginning to lose patience with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

And British police arrested the driver who crashed into a crowd of people celebrating Liverpool's championship soccer club on Monday, seriously wounding two and sending dozens to the hospital. Authorities confirmed that the suspect was a 53-year-old white male. And they asked the public, quote, not to speculate on the circumstances leading up to the collision.

And British police arrested the driver who crashed into a crowd of people celebrating Liverpool's championship soccer club on Monday, seriously wounding two and sending dozens to the hospital. Authorities confirmed that the suspect was a 53-year-old white male. And they asked the public, quote, not to speculate on the circumstances leading up to the collision.

Hundreds of thousands of people had gathered to celebrate Liverpool's victory in this year's Premier League, the top tier of English soccer. Today's episode was produced by Alex Stern, Will Reed, and Diana Nguyen, with help from Mary Wilson. It was edited by Devin Taylor, with help from Lexi Dio.

Hundreds of thousands of people had gathered to celebrate Liverpool's victory in this year's Premier League, the top tier of English soccer. Today's episode was produced by Alex Stern, Will Reed, and Diana Nguyen, with help from Mary Wilson. It was edited by Devin Taylor, with help from Lexi Dio.

Fact-checked by Susan Lee, and contains original music by Diane Wong, Pat McCusker, and Dan Powell, and was engineered by Alyssa Moxley. Our theme music is by Jim Brunberg and Ben Landsberg of Wonderly. That's it for The Daily. I'm Rachel Abrams. See you tomorrow.