Rachel Abrams

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You and our colleagues have been digging into a different period of Epstein's life, one that preceded the era of his most flagrant criminal activity that he became known for, that he was arrested for.

Why was that period your focus?

Why was it important in your estimation to understand the early period of Epstein's life?

So where does the story begin?

Very big name.

It's sort of remarkable because first of all, he gets this job because in a way, Ace Greenberg is like fetishizing his lower middle class background, right?

Something that would have been a disadvantage to somebody else is an advantage to Epstein.

He gets his foot in the door.

And then when he gets caught, he doesn't just make himself sympathetic.

He actually makes himself a victim of the institution where he's working, right?

Like I had no choice but to lie.

Otherwise, you big, powerful, mean Wall Street bank would never have taken a chance on me.

So what happens next?

Is this like which fork to use or is this about acting comfortable or giving off an air of ease in the face of…

So he's not only learning that he can get away with it, but it sounds like he's learning that he's getting away with it at a larger level and with people who are arguably within his social network.

So where does he go from here?

The story of the recovered money, though, is also so interesting because one of the narratives about Epstein in recent years, in recent memory, is that this guy was not actually a financial genius.

That's the thing you hear over and over again.

People are like, why would these billionaires hand him millions of dollars to manage when he wasn't proving himself as singular in any particular way?