Rachel Abrams

Obviously, a minute and a half does not sound like a long period of time, but can you just explain to us, like, why that period of time could even matter?

Obviously, a minute and a half does not sound like a long period of time, but can you just explain to us, like, why that period of time could even matter?

So Kate, after the systems come back online, the radars, the scopes, what kind of effect does this have on Newark?

So Kate, after the systems come back online, the radars, the scopes, what kind of effect does this have on Newark?

Okay, so let's talk about exactly what went wrong here. Help me understand how this all happened.

Okay, so let's talk about exactly what went wrong here. Help me understand how this all happened.

So even if copper wire didn't literally get fried here, the point that I think you're making is that this technology is old and it's prone to breaking down.

So even if copper wire didn't literally get fried here, the point that I think you're making is that this technology is old and it's prone to breaking down.

Sorry, and just explain what is a data feed exactly? Like, what are we talking about?

Sorry, and just explain what is a data feed exactly? Like, what are we talking about?

So basically, it sounds like they added a pit stop along the way for this data. But that pit stop seems like it came with more opportunities for failure. Is that right?

So basically, it sounds like they added a pit stop along the way for this data. But that pit stop seems like it came with more opportunities for failure. Is that right?

Wow. So wait, they actually had another outage before this latest one? Like, this isn't the first time this has happened?

Wow. So wait, they actually had another outage before this latest one? Like, this isn't the first time this has happened?

It doesn't seem like it should be that easy to cause such a dangerous system failure. The idea that like one guy pulls out the wrong plug. Like, should there be some sort of, I don't know, safety net to prevent that from happening?

It doesn't seem like it should be that easy to cause such a dangerous system failure. The idea that like one guy pulls out the wrong plug. Like, should there be some sort of, I don't know, safety net to prevent that from happening?

You know, Kate, I have to say, even though I've been obviously an avid listener of The Daily and consumer of The New York Times, I had no idea that the technology issues in air travel were this bad and this terrifying. Right.

You know, Kate, I have to say, even though I've been obviously an avid listener of The Daily and consumer of The New York Times, I had no idea that the technology issues in air travel were this bad and this terrifying. Right.

We'll be right back. So, Kate, before the break, you'd mentioned that there have been staffing issues within air travel and specifically at Newark. So can you talk a little bit about that? What has been going on with staffing at Newark specifically?

We'll be right back. So, Kate, before the break, you'd mentioned that there have been staffing issues within air travel and specifically at Newark. So can you talk a little bit about that? What has been going on with staffing at Newark specifically?