Rachel Abrams

I mean, this strikes me as, like, not foolproof. I mean, is this point system that is used by law enforcement in this case to identify gang members, is this typical? Is this unheard of? Can you put this into context for us?

Mm-hmm. And were tattoos one of the common denominators you were finding among these men?

Mm-hmm. And were tattoos one of the common denominators you were finding among these men?

Right, because presumably there might be fans of Michael Jordan and Lionel Messi who want tattoos of images that they helped to popularize. And those people might not be in gangs. And similarly, people who wear urban street wear might not be in gangs. So it sounds like this, from everything you have learned, this system of identification really has some kind of questionable flaws to it.

Right, because presumably there might be fans of Michael Jordan and Lionel Messi who want tattoos of images that they helped to popularize. And those people might not be in gangs. And similarly, people who wear urban street wear might not be in gangs. So it sounds like this, from everything you have learned, this system of identification really has some kind of questionable flaws to it.

Julie, I feel like it's totally fair for us to point out that these deportations might have been extremely flawed, that these conditions might be extremely harsh. But I want to note two things. The first is that many Americans voted for President Trump. and feel that the immigration system in this country is broken.

Julie, I feel like it's totally fair for us to point out that these deportations might have been extremely flawed, that these conditions might be extremely harsh. But I want to note two things. The first is that many Americans voted for President Trump. and feel that the immigration system in this country is broken.

Even if some people enter this country legally, they are still in some way taking advantage of the country to the detriment of Americans. And the second thing I want to note is that It feels like we're in this moment right now where people can be divided into sort of two camps just to make a really broad generalization.

Even if some people enter this country legally, they are still in some way taking advantage of the country to the detriment of Americans. And the second thing I want to note is that It feels like we're in this moment right now where people can be divided into sort of two camps just to make a really broad generalization.

In one group, you have people who are alarmed by this lack of due process who say, listen, maybe these guys should have been deported anyway, but we need to find out by putting them through a system so that we can make sure we're not, you know, deporting the wrong people, that everybody should have their day in court.

In one group, you have people who are alarmed by this lack of due process who say, listen, maybe these guys should have been deported anyway, but we need to find out by putting them through a system so that we can make sure we're not, you know, deporting the wrong people, that everybody should have their day in court.

And then what we also have is another group of people that feel that it is okay to have collateral damage. In this case, potentially sending innocent men to a terrorist prison in order to overhaul a broken system. And I'm just curious if you are sort of seeing the landscape in that way.

And then what we also have is another group of people that feel that it is okay to have collateral damage. In this case, potentially sending innocent men to a terrorist prison in order to overhaul a broken system. And I'm just curious if you are sort of seeing the landscape in that way.

Julie, thank you so much. Thank you.

Julie, thank you so much. Thank you.

Here's what else you need to know today. Secretary of State Marco Rubio unveiled a plan to make major cuts to the State Department, calling the government's diplomatic agency, quote,

Here's what else you need to know today. Secretary of State Marco Rubio unveiled a plan to make major cuts to the State Department, calling the government's diplomatic agency, quote,

The cuts focus on operations in Washington, but will also affect the work of embassies and consulates overseas, including the elimination of the Office of the Undersecretary for Civilian Security, Democracy, and Human Rights, which is charged with advancing American values around the world.

The cuts focus on operations in Washington, but will also affect the work of embassies and consulates overseas, including the elimination of the Office of the Undersecretary for Civilian Security, Democracy, and Human Rights, which is charged with advancing American values around the world.

And the executive producer of 60 Minutes, the Tiffany brand of American television journalism, resigned on Tuesday, saying that he was no longer allowed to run the show the way that he always had and make independent decisions. The producer, Bill Owens, is only the third person to hold his position in the show's 57-year history.