Rachel Abrams

Okay, so I understand all of that, I think.

It sounds like it's VPN, but for ships, right?

But then how do you actually go about figuring out where the ships are?

Do you have satellite images on your computer to show me that we can kind of describe a little bit?

Let me, I'm going to move my seat over.

Okay, so now what we're looking at is a tab on this marine traffic website that looks like a map of Venezuela with thousands of arrows that are red or...

Purple or green, tell us what these different color codings mean and what is an individual arrow?

There are way more than three oil tankers on the satellite image.

And yet, when we look at the Marine website, you're saying there are only three ships that are sending out transponder signals.

What are they posting about exactly?

Is it like, hi, I'm on a ship?

It feels like if you're going to go through all this effort to obscure your name and location, you would tell the people that work on your ship, please don't post to TikTok.

I guess so.

What can you learn from these photos and videos then?

Okay, so they're hiding where they are.

They're hiding their real names.

What else are they doing in order to operate in secret?

And why Russia?

But just to go back to the 16 tankers that left Venezuela right after Maduro was captured, what were you able to find out about those tankers and where they went?

And what does that mean?