Rachel Abrams

OK, so Ukraine was involved in the negotiation, but the ultimate product here was really one sided and favored Russia.

Is that kind of another similarity here between what's happening with Ukraine and the Gaza deal, meaning specifically that the administration at the end of the day is really trying to force a plan through that heavily favors one side?

You know, it's sort of interesting, though, because the way that you described Marco Rubio's stance, at least initially vis-a-vis Ukraine, was more of a traditional foreign policy approach, like not that much different from Biden in the sense that he was in favor of supporting Ukraine.

And now you're saying that he has switched his attitude, essentially, and adopted this very much more America first, get out of foreign entanglements at any cost that we have seen from J.D.

Vance and other people in the administration.

The Europeans clearly see this as much more existential than the conflict in Gaza.

OK, so what happens next?

And that is the big question here, right, David?

Because as you and I have discussed on the show multiple times before, Russia has been extremely consistent since the start of the war about what it wants and what it would consider victory.

And they haven't wavered from that at all.

So the idea that a new peace plan that would be more favorable to Ukraine coming out of Geneva, that almost seems like it would be a non-starter, right?

So you almost have to wonder what is the point or the good of this plan at all?

David, this is reminding me of a characteristic that we often see with President Trump, which is that he often likes to tout a victory with the details to be worked out later.

And that seems like it is maybe a dynamic that is playing out here because it feels like from everything you are saying, the goal is to end the war in Ukraine by hook or by crook and not necessarily to uphold any particularly strongly held principles in the process.

Is that fair?

David, thank you so much.

On Tuesday evening, Russia launched a deadly barrage of missiles and drones at the Ukrainian capital as Kremlin officials signaled they would resist changes negotiated by Ukraine to President Trump's peace plan.

The president, meanwhile, said he'd backed off the Thanksgiving Day deadline and that his envoy, Steve Witkoff, would be traveling soon to Moscow to meet with the Russian president, Vladimir Putin.

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