Rachel Abrams

And that is the reason why the administration is taking such an aggressive approach. And so I just wonder, like, do you need to rethink what you just told me, basically?

I want to go back to the storytelling for a moment and go back to Columbia, which capitulated pretty quickly to what the administration wanted. And I want to get your reaction to that. But I also want to read you a quote that you gave, I believe it was to PBS, when Columbia was sort of in the midst of all of this. You said, So I'd like to know,

I want to go back to the storytelling for a moment and go back to Columbia, which capitulated pretty quickly to what the administration wanted. And I want to get your reaction to that. But I also want to read you a quote that you gave, I believe it was to PBS, when Columbia was sort of in the midst of all of this. You said, So I'd like to know,

Did what Columbia did make your job harder as you're now trying to figure out how to deal with the administration? And are you talking to other university presidents to try to come up with some kind of a united front, much in the way that we're seeing some of the law firms that are under fire talking to each other to try to stand up for each other and present a united front?

Did what Columbia did make your job harder as you're now trying to figure out how to deal with the administration? And are you talking to other university presidents to try to come up with some kind of a united front, much in the way that we're seeing some of the law firms that are under fire talking to each other to try to stand up for each other and present a united front?

Wow, because you're viewing this as a crisis.

Wow, because you're viewing this as a crisis.

Does this mean that you are considering making concessions to the Trump administration?

Does this mean that you are considering making concessions to the Trump administration?

Not at all?

Not at all?

But you likely will. If this is anything like the other universities, they're probably going to be sending you some sort of a list.

But you likely will. If this is anything like the other universities, they're probably going to be sending you some sort of a list.

OK, so let me just ask you specifically, like, let's just say that tomorrow the Trump administration says we want to put your I don't know if you have a Middle Eastern studies department, but we want to put one of your departments under academic receivership or you don't get your money. What do you do?

OK, so let me just ask you specifically, like, let's just say that tomorrow the Trump administration says we want to put your I don't know if you have a Middle Eastern studies department, but we want to put one of your departments under academic receivership or you don't get your money. What do you do?

which means potentially losing your funding, of course, from the government, as we've discussed. I mean, I just sort of wonder, like, if you're willing to do battle over some of the demands that one might reasonably expect are coming, have you guys modeled how long you could last financially without the government's support, as Princeton as is now?

which means potentially losing your funding, of course, from the government, as we've discussed. I mean, I just sort of wonder, like, if you're willing to do battle over some of the demands that one might reasonably expect are coming, have you guys modeled how long you could last financially without the government's support, as Princeton as is now?

Yes, it's probably sank more while we've been talking.

Yes, it's probably sank more while we've been talking.

Wait, just so I understand. So you guys are actively considering losing some functionality of the university in order not to have to capitulate to the government. That's something that you're looking at?