Rachel Abrams

Right. It feels like they're basically trying everything to send a message. And moreover, it kind of feels like his case is maybe potentially the beginning of something.

Tell me about that case.

Tell me about that case.

Does she know why ICE agents are at her door? Does she know why, like, they're trying to get her?

Does she know why ICE agents are at her door? Does she know why, like, they're trying to get her?

Okay, wait, so to be clear, was she protesting that day? Like, was she a protester at all?

Okay, wait, so to be clear, was she protesting that day? Like, was she a protester at all?

That self-deportation, that actually feels like it's one of the administration's goals here, right? Like getting people to flee on their own, right?

That self-deportation, that actually feels like it's one of the administration's goals here, right? Like getting people to flee on their own, right?

Hamed, you've just explained these two cases that help us understand how the administration is really testing all these new theories about how to get people out of the country. Tell us about that third case you just mentioned.

Hamed, you've just explained these two cases that help us understand how the administration is really testing all these new theories about how to get people out of the country. Tell us about that third case you just mentioned.

This isn't someone who came here specifically to go to school and then plans to head back home, right?

This isn't someone who came here specifically to go to school and then plans to head back home, right?

Mm-hmm. So how does it become clear that she's being targeted? Can you kind of walk us through her story a little bit?

Mm-hmm. So how does it become clear that she's being targeted? Can you kind of walk us through her story a little bit?

So where is she now?

So where is she now?

because she's concerned about having her location disclosed.

because she's concerned about having her location disclosed.

Right. And it feels worth noting, actually, that these aggressive tactics kind of come back to this whole messaging element of the administration's tactic here. Like they're trying to send a message that we will come for you, we will find you.