Rachel Abrams

Jeffrey and I talked on Tuesday morning. It was a full day after a story came out about how he'd been added accidentally to a group chat with top Trump administration officials. So, Jeffrey, we have never met before, but yesterday I think I texted you, I emailed you, I called you, I called your publicist. I was desperate to get you on the show to talk about your story and the reaction to it.

Should have tried Signal, that's right. So, as we're hinting at, you just wrote something that really everybody is talking about. So tell us, where does the story begin?

Should have tried Signal, that's right. So, as we're hinting at, you just wrote something that really everybody is talking about. So tell us, where does the story begin?

Signal, the secure messaging app.

Signal, the secure messaging app.

Can you translate that for us? You have deep experience in foreign policy as a journalist, as you've said. What does Houthi's PC Small Group mean to you in this moment?

Can you translate that for us? You have deep experience in foreign policy as a journalist, as you've said. What does Houthi's PC Small Group mean to you in this moment?

And you are certainly, I think we need to point out, not a principal in this context. Right.

And you are certainly, I think we need to point out, not a principal in this context. Right.

And who is in the group at this point?

And who is in the group at this point?

Right. Basically, like you being on a group chat with really top-tier officials in the administration, you're not believing this is the real thing.

Right. Basically, like you being on a group chat with really top-tier officials in the administration, you're not believing this is the real thing.

And even though you think it's fake at this point, I'm sure you're still kind of curious. You're watching this thing.

And even though you think it's fake at this point, I'm sure you're still kind of curious. You're watching this thing.

What if?

What if?

Right, right.

Right, right.

So what do they start discussing?