Rachel Abrams

I see.

Right. Okay. So that sounds like it potentially could be a legal problem.

Right. Okay. So that sounds like it potentially could be a legal problem.

I think the natural question is to say, under normal circumstances, there would probably be an investigation led by Congress. Democrats are obviously calling for that, but it just feels like there must be so little interest in an investigation from anybody with the power to do it. And I just want to give you some examples of the reaction to your story that make me say that.

I think the natural question is to say, under normal circumstances, there would probably be an investigation led by Congress. Democrats are obviously calling for that, but it just feels like there must be so little interest in an investigation from anybody with the power to do it. And I just want to give you some examples of the reaction to your story that make me say that.

Because over the past 24 hours— The Republicans have really played this down. House Speaker Mike Johnson has said this is not our issue. Senator John Kennedy said a mistake was made. It happens. A House Republican called it a learning moment. Trump himself said Mike Waltz is a good man. He's learned a lesson.

Because over the past 24 hours— The Republicans have really played this down. House Speaker Mike Johnson has said this is not our issue. Senator John Kennedy said a mistake was made. It happens. A House Republican called it a learning moment. Trump himself said Mike Waltz is a good man. He's learned a lesson.

Do you think there will be any consequences for the people who initiated or participated in this breach of national security?

Do you think there will be any consequences for the people who initiated or participated in this breach of national security?

You mentioned Hillary Clinton earlier, but I want to bring it back to her for a second because it seems noteworthy that a lot of the people on this signal chat, and certainly President Trump, all of these people made a very big deal about Clinton and how she used a private email server for official business when she was Secretary of State. And everybody remembers the chants, lock her up.

You mentioned Hillary Clinton earlier, but I want to bring it back to her for a second because it seems noteworthy that a lot of the people on this signal chat, and certainly President Trump, all of these people made a very big deal about Clinton and how she used a private email server for official business when she was Secretary of State. And everybody remembers the chants, lock her up.

And every turn, they described what she did as a very serious breach of national security that should face consequences. And I just, can you, for a second, Putting aside whether or not this is hypocritical, could you ruminate on whether you think what you have seen is as serious, more serious, far more serious just by comparison to what she did?

And every turn, they described what she did as a very serious breach of national security that should face consequences. And I just, can you, for a second, Putting aside whether or not this is hypocritical, could you ruminate on whether you think what you have seen is as serious, more serious, far more serious just by comparison to what she did?

Do you think that they think that the mistake here is being accidentally included and this getting out or having used Signal in the first place?

Do you think that they think that the mistake here is being accidentally included and this getting out or having used Signal in the first place?

Right. I think this sort of speaks to the question I asked you about whether you think there are going to be any consequences, because like all of the examples you just laid out, those suggest that maybe these are folks that think the mistake here was most likely just including you, which makes me wonder, do you think that you are going to be now targeted by the administration?

Right. I think this sort of speaks to the question I asked you about whether you think there are going to be any consequences, because like all of the examples you just laid out, those suggest that maybe these are folks that think the mistake here was most likely just including you, which makes me wonder, do you think that you are going to be now targeted by the administration?

And I just want to quote from Pete Hegseth here, because immediately after your story came out, he denied that he had shared it. war plans. He said that you yourself were a deceitful and highly discredited so-called journalist who made a profession of peddling hoaxes time and time again.

And I just want to quote from Pete Hegseth here, because immediately after your story came out, he denied that he had shared it. war plans. He said that you yourself were a deceitful and highly discredited so-called journalist who made a profession of peddling hoaxes time and time again.

And just given how aggressive this administration has been toward the press generally, I just wonder if you think you might be the only one, ironically, that could face any punishment from this.