Rachel Abrams

Jeffrey, I want to thank you very much for your time.

During a contentious hearing on Tuesday in front of the Senate Intelligence Committee, two members of President Trump's cabinet who were included in the text exchanges with Jeffrey Goldberg, CIA Director John Radcliffe and Director of National Intelligence Telsey Gabbard, both denied that any classified material was shared in the messages.

During a contentious hearing on Tuesday in front of the Senate Intelligence Committee, two members of President Trump's cabinet who were included in the text exchanges with Jeffrey Goldberg, CIA Director John Radcliffe and Director of National Intelligence Telsey Gabbard, both denied that any classified material was shared in the messages.

That prompted expressions of disbelief from several senators, including Angus King of Maine, an Independent.

That prompted expressions of disbelief from several senators, including Angus King of Maine, an Independent.

At one point during the hearing, Democratic Senator John Ossoff of Georgia pressed Radcliffe to acknowledge the seriousness of the situation.

At one point during the hearing, Democratic Senator John Ossoff of Georgia pressed Radcliffe to acknowledge the seriousness of the situation.

Thank you.

Thank you.

From The New York Times, I'm Rachel Abrams. This is The Daily. In recent weeks, the Trump administration has put the American university system on notice. It's pressed for changes, launched investigations, and in some cases, it's even withheld critical funds.

From The New York Times, I'm Rachel Abrams. This is The Daily. In recent weeks, the Trump administration has put the American university system on notice. It's pressed for changes, launched investigations, and in some cases, it's even withheld critical funds.

Today, my colleague Ellen Blinder on how schools are responding to all of this pressure and what it might mean for the future of higher education. It's Monday, March 24th. Ellen, thank you so much for being with us. I am not surprised given the news cycle recently and how much we've been hearing about universities that you're working on a Sunday.

Today, my colleague Ellen Blinder on how schools are responding to all of this pressure and what it might mean for the future of higher education. It's Monday, March 24th. Ellen, thank you so much for being with us. I am not surprised given the news cycle recently and how much we've been hearing about universities that you're working on a Sunday.

It really feels like we cannot go more than a few days without hearing about this escalating conflict between the Trump administration and the country's colleges and universities. And you, Alan, have been covering higher education for a really long time. So we thought you'd be the right person to sit down with so that you could kind of break all of this down for us. But.

It really feels like we cannot go more than a few days without hearing about this escalating conflict between the Trump administration and the country's colleges and universities. And you, Alan, have been covering higher education for a really long time. So we thought you'd be the right person to sit down with so that you could kind of break all of this down for us. But.

I think the first thing I want to do is just get a sense from you of whether you've ever seen anything like this showdown that we are currently seeing between the higher education in this country and the White House.

I think the first thing I want to do is just get a sense from you of whether you've ever seen anything like this showdown that we are currently seeing between the higher education in this country and the White House.

And within all of that, it feels like your reporting has really focused on Columbia University for good reason. Columbia has been a poster child for a lot of this conflict and a little bit of a case study, right?

And within all of that, it feels like your reporting has really focused on Columbia University for good reason. Columbia has been a poster child for a lot of this conflict and a little bit of a case study, right?

Let's dive into Columbia a little bit more. Can you just walk us through what's been happening there?