Rachel Bernstein

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Nobody Should Believe Me · Case Files 15: Everyday Cults with Rachel Bernstein · 10 Apr 2025 podcast

Yes, it is stressful for a lot of people and they do sometimes reach their limit with it at some point. And you don't always know what it's going to be that's going to be their tipping point, but there's going to be something. And sometimes it's just a surprising thing and unexpected, but they might get there. It sometimes takes them a lot longer individually.

And they need something that's even more disturbing to really kind of hit them over the head so they really get it. But I think it would be very uncomfortable for me to sit on my hands for a lot of things. And that's why I don't. And at the same time.

I've even seen with myself, there are some cases that I've chosen to not take on because it is, I don't know if I have the capacity because it's something that is going to be so disturbing to me. But I also will only say no to a case if I know there's someone else who I can hand it over to. I need to do something.

I need to at least offer a referral, a resource, so I know they're going to be in good hands. even if it's not mine. We sometimes have our limit still to do self-protection. So sometimes people are just more avoidant. And so they know how to jump in again and be the superhero. They know how to jump in in a positive way, like coming to someone's defense.

But really looking, really acknowledging, really feeling is overwhelming for their system. And they're probably intuiting that about themselves or assuming that about themselves. A lot of people assume it to a greater degree than it's actually true. People will jump in. They'll say, actually, I realized that wasn't as hard as I thought. In fact, it felt a lot better once I was there.

But people will assume it. The other thing that happens, though, is that... you know, I've never met your sister, so I don't know how she operates, but there are people who will come across as the victim, but who give off signs of being terrifying and intimidating. And you can pick it up sometimes in a look. You can see, right, how much they work something and

And you know that because you've seen it, you know that's going to be turned on you and then some. And so you then go into avoiding all of it because you can see what's going to happen if you kind of cross this person. And you go into, without even realizing it, you are already dealing with behavior modification issues. And just because you'll get the look or something.

And I think people might not even be consciously aware that they're being behaviorally modified. But people who are aware of watching that happen can see it happening.

So I think it is like a lot of these things, multi-layered, I do think, and this is not to make light of it, but it's like the Obi-Wan Kenobi defense, you know, you're our last hope.

And there is this, I think, need when some people go into the helping professions, therapists too, you know, and nurses who don't, you know, they're not doing things for nefarious reasons by and large, but they actually are often thanked even more than doctors. Thank you so much for being there and you really got this and you helped others.

me, you know, really get a message to the doctor and you are on top of it and you can see them smiling and feeling really good about being that person. I think doctors to a certain degree, some of them have that same need and it feels really nice and it also feels really good to

if they believe the story, and it sounds like some of them do, that other people were just not as skilled as them, were just not as insightful as them, were just not as sensitive as them, were not willing to take the risk to do the right thing as them, whatever angle works to feed either the ego or affirming that they were the one when there was no one else, It feels so good.

And it can be its own dopamine hit. It can feel almost addictive. And they also want to take the risk of, again, being their champion and fighting off everyone for them. I think there is also something that is hard to look at, but we need to look at it, which is there is sociopathy everywhere. And within the medical profession, you see it too.

And I know there are people, I mean, I hear about people who really are these malignant narcissists, people who are sociopaths and go into the medical profession, which is chilling. And so it's a tiny percentage, luckily, but they're there. And so if you're going to be doctor shopping, you're going to find the person who does not at all seem upset by how many drugs they need to give this person.

In fact, they kind of see people as guinea pigs and they like being able to use them as a means of experimentation. which is horrific. And it reminds me of Nazism. I don't mean to go to an extreme, but they talk about the Nazi party being able to gas people, kill people, maim people, and then come home and hug their children. There is this disconnection.

So, they can still be good people in the community. They can have their name on the side of a building, of a university, and be lauded, but really not be well inside and not handle themselves in a way that's aligned with anything that we would see as conscience. So they're there too. And they're going to be loved by people who really want them to say yes to everything without any pushback.

You also have people who are trying to help with their own careers. they might feel like if they're getting, there are doctors I know who I've talked to, as they get older, they feel like they're getting pushed out. And sometimes they want to make their mark before they retire. So, some of them are doing it for their own needs. And so, it really is all over the place.

And I think then you go into the When it's found out, they realize that they've engaged in something and participated in something that went really against the Hippocratic Oath and the do no harm policy. Then some people then go into avoidance and do that whole human nature thing of la la la. And I don't actually want to look at what I was involved in. And so I am going to go down with the ship.

I'm going to still say that, you know, everything that I did was fine and legitimate and everything that the mom was concerned about was fine and legitimate because I can't afford to do anything other than that.

Okay, so it's a great question. And sometimes it has to do with the person. Sometimes it has to do with their own psychological and physiological makeup, just to see how much they can withstand, how much they can resist the urge to still be with that person, how much they're able to hold on to the truth. And that that is going to guide them and keep them safe and keep them distant.

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