Rachel Davies

Yeah.

Why are we so averse to talking about it?

For me, I wonder if there's two things.

Like one, I think it's not very ladylike.

When Ange and I say we've written a money book, there's like a yuck, you know, like it's sort of, I think there's something about femininity.

It's not that feminine to talk about money somehow.

I can't quite work out where that comes from.

When you spoke to your money, did it have a gender?

Oh, I can't remember.

I'm sometimes in a high-money Zoom.

Women will go into breakout rooms and share their money story or talk about their relationship with money.

And when they come out, they're like, God, I thought it was just me.

All of us, we're all just working it out.

I think the shame and the silence and the thought of everybody's got it together apart from me.

I'm the one that doesn't know.

I think a lot of women feel like that.

And there's so much relief in talking about it and going, oh, okay.

nobody's got it together we're all just like that's a great comfort I think to to women to know that we're all doing this terribly how reassuring well we're all just people right we're all just like we've got this bit worked out but this but we're not sure about and we feel funny here and we were sometimes you know yeah yeah exactly that's it yeah and and and you know like I'm

It's like they're unconscious, so you're going to surface one, like getting a fish and you pull it up onto the deck of the ship.

And Ange's one was like, I have to work really hard for money.