Rachel Maddow
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And so remember when Tiffany Trump's father-in-law, they thought he was a billionaire and it turns out he just owns a truck dealership? Yes, yes. So, like, that guy who needs to prove himself.
Like, maybe Tiffany Trump thought her father-in-law was a billionaire, and I don't know. But he's got to prove himself, right, because that was humiliating. And so he's connected with the, like, oil-soaked warlords of Benghazi to, like, apparently do deals for the U.S. government to accept business.
Like, maybe Tiffany Trump thought her father-in-law was a billionaire, and I don't know. But he's got to prove himself, right, because that was humiliating. And so he's connected with the, like, oil-soaked warlords of Benghazi to, like, apparently do deals for the U.S. government to accept business.
And they went so far as having people loaded on buses and ready to go before a court intervened there. But now what's the new thing they say they're going to do in Libya? They say they are going to like the phrase that is the most dangerous and worst collection of words in the English language. relocate the civilian population of Gaza. And where are they going to put the Palestinians from Gaza?
And they went so far as having people loaded on buses and ready to go before a court intervened there. But now what's the new thing they say they're going to do in Libya? They say they are going to like the phrase that is the most dangerous and worst collection of words in the English language. relocate the civilian population of Gaza. And where are they going to put the Palestinians from Gaza?
They're going to put them in Libya. That's the new U.S. proposal that the Palestinians are going to be forcibly taken away from their land and moved to Libya. That's the way the U.S. government is operating right now. And do they want that story told? No, they don't. And so that makes me very interested in that story.
They're going to put them in Libya. That's the new U.S. proposal that the Palestinians are going to be forcibly taken away from their land and moved to Libya. That's the way the U.S. government is operating right now. And do they want that story told? No, they don't. And so that makes me very interested in that story.
Yes. And it turns out like all of this weird third country stuff that we're doing, like why are we renditioning people? during the George W. Bush era, right? It's because we wanted to hold people in terms that couldn't be justified under U.S.
Yes. And it turns out like all of this weird third country stuff that we're doing, like why are we renditioning people? during the George W. Bush era, right? It's because we wanted to hold people in terms that couldn't be justified under U.S.
law, and so we made side deals with countries like Poland or Djibouti or whatever to hold people in these places to do terrible things to them that we couldn't do here, right? So you know that history very well because of your previous life, right? But now we're moving people into these black sites in third countries for what appear to be side deals
law, and so we made side deals with countries like Poland or Djibouti or whatever to hold people in these places to do terrible things to them that we couldn't do here, right? So you know that history very well because of your previous life, right? But now we're moving people into these black sites in third countries for what appear to be side deals
with oligarchs and warlords and dictators in those countries that in some cases benefit members of the Trump administration, right? This Libya thing has all of my hairs standing up on end in terms of what's going on there. Like, who knows what's behind the recent news about South Sudan, really? It's insane. It's absolutely insane.
with oligarchs and warlords and dictators in those countries that in some cases benefit members of the Trump administration, right? This Libya thing has all of my hairs standing up on end in terms of what's going on there. Like, who knows what's behind the recent news about South Sudan, really? It's insane. It's absolutely insane.
But in all of these cases, these black box deals to send people to places far, where there's no public policy justification for sending them whatsoever, all gives opportunity for some sort of tribute or personal benefit to happen on the side of these things for the members of the Trump administration who are working these things out.
But in all of these cases, these black box deals to send people to places far, where there's no public policy justification for sending them whatsoever, all gives opportunity for some sort of tribute or personal benefit to happen on the side of these things for the members of the Trump administration who are working these things out.
And so that story is like I'm interested in those kinds of stories. I think one of the things that we've learned from the Russian opposition and from Navalny's example is that no matter what kind of support the strongman or authoritarian has, nobody is excited about the prospect of him stealing from the people in order to build himself golden palaces with golden toilets.
And so that story is like I'm interested in those kinds of stories. I think one of the things that we've learned from the Russian opposition and from Navalny's example is that no matter what kind of support the strongman or authoritarian has, nobody is excited about the prospect of him stealing from the people in order to build himself golden palaces with golden toilets.
And to the extent that we can stay focused on the self-dealing and the corruption that is the real explanation behind all of these otherwise inexplicable policies, I do think that that erodes their support, even from people who might enjoy some of the other things they're doing.
And to the extent that we can stay focused on the self-dealing and the corruption that is the real explanation behind all of these otherwise inexplicable policies, I do think that that erodes their support, even from people who might enjoy some of the other things they're doing.
But I don't think people are OK with it is the thing that I mean, like maybe there are some people who get a transgressive thrill from seeing the kind of cruelty that they're displaying and making propaganda out of. But I actually think that there's a lot more people in polling bears this out who think it's both pointless and wrong.