Rachel Martin

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This episode was produced by Alicia Zhang and Lee Hale.

It was edited by Dave Blanchard.

It was mastered by Becky Brown.

Wildcard's executive producer is Yolanda Sangweni, and our theme music is by Romteen Arabloui.

We'll shuffle the deck and be back with more next week.

Talk to you then.

Just a heads up, this episode does have some strong language.

Do you think people can really change?

I'm Rachel Martin, and this is Wildcard, the show where cards control the conversation.

Each week, my guest answers questions about their life, questions pulled from a deck of cards.

They're allowed to skip one question and to flip one back on me.

My guest this week is Jonathan Goldstein.

Jonathan Goldstein believes in closure, which is what his massively popular podcast Heavyweight is all about.

Helping people move on from some kind of unfinished business in their lives.

Maybe that's helping someone make amends or to say thank you to a stranger or

or to help a person turn a page on a traumatic experience.

And yes, the word heavy is in the title, but it doesn't feel that way, in large part because Jonathan is very funny.