Rachel Wilson

So she started Ms.

Magazine with CIA funding.

She was working with like Clay Felker and a couple of other.

Is that her?

No, that's not her either.

She was OK.

I mean, it was nothing thrilling, but it was it was good enough to to get her in there.

And like I said, her and Betty Friedan had like this rivalry, this vicious rivalry in the press because Friedan was a Marxist.

There's always been this battle between like the liberal capitalist type of feminists and the Marxist type of feminists.

And Betty Friedan was not attractive.

She was very frumpy.

She was older.

And the press loved Steinem because she was like stylish and cool.

She had like highlights in her hair and she was kind of a hippie.

So she got all the press and she started Ms.

Magazine, which there's a whole bunch on that in my book as well.

But, yeah, it was like it was part of the Cold War.

It was part of pushing like the liberal democracy stuff to contrast it against like the communist Eastern Bloc at the time.

And it was very useful.

There's extensive writing from so many people in this movement about how, hey, if you can get women involved.