Rachel Wilson

And a lot of men historically died in battle really young or doing dirty or dangerous jobs.

You know, they died younger a lot of times.

or in war and then you'd have war brides you know so they'd get impregnated again by like the enemy who took them back to their homeland that kind of thing so yeah we we have this that's where women feel that their power lies is in sexuality that's why every pop star and every movie star who's a famous woman for the most part there's a handful of exceptions but most of them

They'll do anything to stay hot.

You know, they're trying to be sexy at 70 like, who was that?

Jane Fonda?

Sexy at 70, sexy at 80.

You know, she's going to be sexy forever.

I'm just hearing bones crack.

my hip yeah yeah it was like uh i mean jennifer lopez is kind of doing that too she's had how many husbands and engagements and divorces and she's still out there in the thong shaking it on vegas you know her vegas shows and stuff and yeah she looks good she's got endless money to do endless things to look good lord knows what they're doing but um that's where women think their power comes from so cameron was like big into pushing this into the california

like uh counterculture in the 60s and at the time this was like well in the 50s and 60s so like even people like Sammy Davis Jr.

who's another guy that said he was a satanist Sammy Davis Jr.

was a satanist hanging out with Sinatra yeah that's what he said now you wonder sometimes if they just say that for shock value I don't know or maybe they had fun parties

Oh, they definitely had.

They were they were having Diddy parties before Diddy was around.

You know what I'm saying?

So Cameron was the it girl in the counterculture in L.A.

and her art was really popular and stuff.

And there's a lot that kind of came out of her popularity that went into the mainstream later.

in like these scarlet women archetypes of like the sexy bad girl who's rebellious and is undomesticated and unattached.