Rainn Wilson

And I do believe that, and I don't know how this would work with the healthcare system, that can there be a spiritual re-imagining of what healthcare is in a way that makes us

reimagine our relationship to healing the sick.

I don't know exactly how that works, but again, it's either a government bureaucracy or it's private, you know, profit-seeking.

And is there something in between?

If the priority of our culture is

is to take care of the least privileged among us and of the sick, as Jesus talks about ad infinitum and works on nonstop as serving the lowest among us.

How would that transform the healthcare system?

But that's a big cultural shift, but I do think that spirituality and even religion can aid in that path.

Well, my favorite quote of all time is from Father Teilhard de Chardin, who's a Jesuit priest, but he was also a scientist, philosopher.

I think he maybe was a doctor of some kind.

And he said, we're not human beings having a spiritual experience.

We are spiritual beings having a human experience.

So when I hear that quote, to me, I feel like you talked about your definition of the soul of what medical science has the least understanding about.

I feel, to quote C.S.

Lewis, I don't have a soul.

I am a soul.

I have a body.

It's a shift in thinking.

I am a spiritual being.

This consciousness that I have, this miraculous consciousness that we're having this conversation and I'm having memories and thoughts and feelings and taking in the surroundings.