Ralph Blumenthal

Of course, Ralph, as we know, has already been down the UFO rabbit hole for a couple of years, working on a book about Dr. John Mack. And that's a That's a name we don't hear much with all the debates about secret programs and crash retrievals and whistleblowers and all the mess in Congress. We don't hear about Dr. Mack, but he blazed a path.

His story kind of gets lost in all the muck of modern ufology, but it's really an important one. Wouldn't you agree?

His story kind of gets lost in all the muck of modern ufology, but it's really an important one. Wouldn't you agree?

His story kind of gets lost in all the muck of modern ufology, but it's really an important one. Wouldn't you agree?

He is the real deal. The book that he wrote about Dr. Mac is this one. It's called The Believer, Alien Encounters, Hard Science and the Passion of John Mac. That title, The Believer, is a little bit controversial. And I hope we get a chance to talk to Ralph about why he chose it. But let's bring him on.

He is the real deal. The book that he wrote about Dr. Mac is this one. It's called The Believer, Alien Encounters, Hard Science and the Passion of John Mac. That title, The Believer, is a little bit controversial. And I hope we get a chance to talk to Ralph about why he chose it. But let's bring him on.

He is the real deal. The book that he wrote about Dr. Mac is this one. It's called The Believer, Alien Encounters, Hard Science and the Passion of John Mac. That title, The Believer, is a little bit controversial. And I hope we get a chance to talk to Ralph about why he chose it. But let's bring him on.

there are some key dates, you know. 1947, when Kenneth Arnold and Roswell both happened. 1969, the so-called end of government studies when Project Blue Book was closed down. And 2017, when the New York Times uncorked a front-page blockbuster story by Ralph Blumenthal, Leslie Kane, and Helene Cooper about secret government investigations into UFOs. Ralph Blumenthal, it's great to see you.

there are some key dates, you know. 1947, when Kenneth Arnold and Roswell both happened. 1969, the so-called end of government studies when Project Blue Book was closed down. And 2017, when the New York Times uncorked a front-page blockbuster story by Ralph Blumenthal, Leslie Kane, and Helene Cooper about secret government investigations into UFOs. Ralph Blumenthal, it's great to see you.

there are some key dates, you know. 1947, when Kenneth Arnold and Roswell both happened. 1969, the so-called end of government studies when Project Blue Book was closed down. And 2017, when the New York Times uncorked a front-page blockbuster story by Ralph Blumenthal, Leslie Kane, and Helene Cooper about secret government investigations into UFOs. Ralph Blumenthal, it's great to see you.

You're still probably dealing with the fallout from that story, aren't you?

You're still probably dealing with the fallout from that story, aren't you?

You're still probably dealing with the fallout from that story, aren't you?

You know, when you and I have talked before, I have sort of asked and poked a little bit about how heavy a lift that was for the three of you. And looking at the history of the New York Times, I mean, for 50 years, they've been pretty darn hostile to the UFO story in general.

You know, when you and I have talked before, I have sort of asked and poked a little bit about how heavy a lift that was for the three of you. And looking at the history of the New York Times, I mean, for 50 years, they've been pretty darn hostile to the UFO story in general.

You know, when you and I have talked before, I have sort of asked and poked a little bit about how heavy a lift that was for the three of you. And looking at the history of the New York Times, I mean, for 50 years, they've been pretty darn hostile to the UFO story in general.

Can you give us a little insight on how heavy a lift that was, what you had to go through to get that story published at all, let alone on the front page?

Can you give us a little insight on how heavy a lift that was, what you had to go through to get that story published at all, let alone on the front page?

Can you give us a little insight on how heavy a lift that was, what you had to go through to get that story published at all, let alone on the front page?

You know, I'm thinking about what it would have been like if you had known about OSAP, Skinwalker Ranch, all that crazy stuff. Would you have been able to tell your editors about it and get the story on it? Because I'm thinking, you know, I've talked to Leslie. Jeremy and I have spoken with Leslie Kane. And she said if we had included all that stuff, they would have kicked us out.