Ralph Blumenthal

You know, I'm thinking about what it would have been like if you had known about OSAP, Skinwalker Ranch, all that crazy stuff. Would you have been able to tell your editors about it and get the story on it? Because I'm thinking, you know, I've talked to Leslie. Jeremy and I have spoken with Leslie Kane. And she said if we had included all that stuff, they would have kicked us out.

You know, I'm thinking about what it would have been like if you had known about OSAP, Skinwalker Ranch, all that crazy stuff. Would you have been able to tell your editors about it and get the story on it? Because I'm thinking, you know, I've talked to Leslie. Jeremy and I have spoken with Leslie Kane. And she said if we had included all that stuff, they would have kicked us out.

I'm not sure that story would have been published.

I'm not sure that story would have been published.

I'm not sure that story would have been published.

When this story comes across your desk, 2017, you were already sort of down the UFO rabbit hole. You'd been working on a project that made you somewhat familiar with the subject and the depth and breadth of it. A book that we're going to talk about today called The Believer about Dr. John Mack. Can you tell us a little bit about how you got on the trail of John Mack?

When this story comes across your desk, 2017, you were already sort of down the UFO rabbit hole. You'd been working on a project that made you somewhat familiar with the subject and the depth and breadth of it. A book that we're going to talk about today called The Believer about Dr. John Mack. Can you tell us a little bit about how you got on the trail of John Mack?

When this story comes across your desk, 2017, you were already sort of down the UFO rabbit hole. You'd been working on a project that made you somewhat familiar with the subject and the depth and breadth of it. A book that we're going to talk about today called The Believer about Dr. John Mack. Can you tell us a little bit about how you got on the trail of John Mack?

You know, one of the reasons we want to talk to you now, Ralph, is because, you know, partially in reaction to your 2017 story in The Times, people are chasing government secrets, crash retrievals, secret technology, the race for that technology.

You know, one of the reasons we want to talk to you now, Ralph, is because, you know, partially in reaction to your 2017 story in The Times, people are chasing government secrets, crash retrievals, secret technology, the race for that technology.

You know, one of the reasons we want to talk to you now, Ralph, is because, you know, partially in reaction to your 2017 story in The Times, people are chasing government secrets, crash retrievals, secret technology, the race for that technology.

And the focus is always on, seems to be on shiny objects up there in the sky and not on the personal encounters that people have been reporting all over the planet. The kind of things that... that Dr. Mack investigated. In a sense, do you think that that is where the heart of this story is, as opposed to the technology itself?

And the focus is always on, seems to be on shiny objects up there in the sky and not on the personal encounters that people have been reporting all over the planet. The kind of things that... that Dr. Mack investigated. In a sense, do you think that that is where the heart of this story is, as opposed to the technology itself?

And the focus is always on, seems to be on shiny objects up there in the sky and not on the personal encounters that people have been reporting all over the planet. The kind of things that... that Dr. Mack investigated. In a sense, do you think that that is where the heart of this story is, as opposed to the technology itself?

I think Jeremy and I are as guilty as anyone of chasing the shiny object, you know, the paper trail. It's like when I started down this road, chasing the paper trail, that's something a journalist can do, you know, dig into records and file a FOIA request, talk to people who are working on these programs. That's where the bulk of the public attention seems to be these days.

I think Jeremy and I are as guilty as anyone of chasing the shiny object, you know, the paper trail. It's like when I started down this road, chasing the paper trail, that's something a journalist can do, you know, dig into records and file a FOIA request, talk to people who are working on these programs. That's where the bulk of the public attention seems to be these days.

I think Jeremy and I are as guilty as anyone of chasing the shiny object, you know, the paper trail. It's like when I started down this road, chasing the paper trail, that's something a journalist can do, you know, dig into records and file a FOIA request, talk to people who are working on these programs. That's where the bulk of the public attention seems to be these days.

But I think you could make the argument, and probably Dr. Mack would agree, that the heart of the matter is these encounters. That whatever this intelligence is, interacting with humans, one-on-one, sometimes with small groups, that seems to be at the core of what's been going on for maybe forever.

But I think you could make the argument, and probably Dr. Mack would agree, that the heart of the matter is these encounters. That whatever this intelligence is, interacting with humans, one-on-one, sometimes with small groups, that seems to be at the core of what's been going on for maybe forever.

But I think you could make the argument, and probably Dr. Mack would agree, that the heart of the matter is these encounters. That whatever this intelligence is, interacting with humans, one-on-one, sometimes with small groups, that seems to be at the core of what's been going on for maybe forever.