Ramses
Appearances
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
We want to applaud you. Listen, I was just going to say, I've heard everything. I don't take it personally. I recognize there's a lot to talk about, so I'm happy to answer questions.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
that's understandable but i'm happy to you know provide context and sort of some explanations i know amazing what is perceived seems really wild and i promise like i'm not that person that people are trying to make me out to be but happy to talk about it okay so let's get into that so we obviously we recognize the show can be edited it is edited and things like that and you kind of alluded to that at the reunion that being said as someone who knows what it's like to be on reality tv
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Yeah. So so we'll start with the contraception conversation. That was the first thing that sort of came up. I think that conversation, obviously, it was a longer conversation. It was 30, 45 minutes long. I don't know how long. And you kind of just see two, two minutes or so of it.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
And really, the whole point of that conversation was to talk about what our long-term method of contraception was going to be. I know the perception from it is like, this guy's anti-condom. This guy is just concerned about his own personal pleasure in this situation. Trust me, I'm well aware of what hormonal contraception can do to a woman's body. I'm aware of all of these things.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
And so, you know, me and Marissa are very candid when it comes to these sort of conversations. We're willing to say, like, you know, what it is, you know, whether it was the comment about, you know, sex with a condom being not as, you know, enjoyable as without one, obviously. So you catch these very candid moments.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
But there are also moments where I was trying to explain that, you know, I recognize that we live in a society where women, the pressure is primarily placed on women to, to deal with the question of contraception and that men typically don't have that responsibility placed on them.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
You only heard the second half of that, but I promise the point I was trying to make at that moment is just acknowledgement of the fact that that is a reality that we're faced with. And so we talked about other methods of contraception. We talked about a vasectomy and what it would look like for me to get a vasectomy. And I would look into that.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
And ultimately, we talked about also using the rhythm method where Marissa would track her cycle. Um, and we would, you know, I would use a condom when I need to and, and, and vice, you know, whatever the case may be. And so this was a very nuanced conversation that we had that was really brought down into just kind of a couple minutes.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
And, um, I was really just trying to be very considerate in that moment. I promise that's not the way it looks. Uh, but it's, it's, I was really trying to understand what would work best for us in a marriage. Um, I promise I'm not anti-condom or whatever the conversation is on the internet.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
So my thing with the so no. So when we decided, you know, what our sort of solution was going to be, it was pretty much, yeah, mixture of pull out game and her cycle and sort of moving forward. She also agreed with me at the point that, you know, using a condom every single time in a marriage was probably not the most feasible thing or the thing that we both wanted in that situation.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
But even with the kids, you know, that's a conversation we had in the pods about what our timeline would look like. And so even in that conversation, like the timeline had changed with her. And so that kind of caught me off guard. But I had no point. I recognize the risk that we're taking, especially, you know, playing the pullout game. I recognize the risk that we're playing there.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
And if we were to have kids there, that's a responsibility I would take upon myself and, you know, we would handle that situation. You know, that's, that's a risk that you're playing. And I would have more than more than happy to take that responsibility if we had kids.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I mean, I think I felt like I just said the quiet part out loud. And but it's just the way it was perceived. It's it didn't look great on me. And I honestly watching it back, my jaw was on the floor because I recognize what the conversation was. And I knew immediately, like what the perception was going to be in that moment. So it was a rough watching those conversations back for sure.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Listen, if I was an outside viewer watching this conversation back, I'd be like, yeah, this guy's a douchebag. But immediately. So trust me, I understand.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
absolutely so so this conversation was something that had been building up over the past days weeks um i understand the perception of this is you know marissa has she's dealing with all of these health issues right um and i am simply there only concerned about my pleasure just trying to demand sex and just concerned about you know when is the next time why are we not having enough sex basically
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
The way I approached this conversation was wasn't about sex. It was about our physical intimacy and the way it played out, not just, you know, in the bedroom, but just in our day to day. There were moments where we would go out on dates and, you know, I'm I'm a very affectionate person. I like to, you know, like hug and hold hands and all of that.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
And there was like a moment, for example, where I kind of put my hand on her leg just to kind of as we were riding in the Uber to a date. And she was like, like, please stop. And obviously I can respect that. You know, I know she has like ADHD and a lot of sensory stuff can be a lot for her. But there are also moments in, you know, just cuddling where she kind of brushes my arm off.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
And so I'm starting to notice like all of these, we're not communicating in terms of like our physical affection and intimacy. And it also played out in the bedroom. Like I won't go into much into detail, but it pretty much, it felt very detached.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
It felt when we had sex that, you know, once we finished, she'd get up, go to the bathroom, clean off and, you know, just kind of lay on the other side of the bed. And so I'm picking up on these things. And my concern was really, our physical intimacy, it doesn't seem to be really connecting.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Like it feels like there's some sort of detachment there that I was concerned about because of the way that I communicate my love. And so if there wasn't a compatibility there, then that's something that I felt that we needed to talk about and we needed to sort of figure out. Cause it's, it's something that I wanted to figure out before we got married.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
It's not something that I wanted to like leave until we get married. It becomes an issue potentially. And then, you know, you have to deal with
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
of the just the heartbreak of a divorce uh and so that was the way the way i approached it um i recognize that marissa in her past has dealt with men who have not given her the respect when it comes to a lot of these issues she's dealing with when it comes to her health and so she's had these really wild expectations placed on her and how she should communicate and express herself
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
And so I can understand why she came into that conversation, probably thinking like, oh, here we go again. Like, here's the same shit I've dealt with in the past. And this is the same type of guy that I'm dealing with now. But I think even after that conversation, we spoke more about it and we brought some clarity into what exactly it was that I was trying to focus on in that moment.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Um, yeah, no, of course. Like I, I've, I've always, and I know it, it, again, like it probably doesn't, it doesn't come off that way, but I, when I approach conversations, I try to be very understanding, considerate of, especially, you know, when it comes to a partner, um, of where they are in that moment, where there's, you know, it,
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
whatever issues they may be dealing with, I would never try to, you know, either force myself or, or try to put her into a position where she has to, you know, she's dealing with all of these issues, but she has to some, for some reason or another prioritize, you know, my, my sexual pleasure or prioritize how I'm feeling in the moment.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
And so I, I understand why, you know, she was pissed off and, you know, she's dealing with all of these things. Um, and so I understand why she in that moment, maybe didn't want to have that conversation, you know, um, Unfortunately, like in this experience, we we don't have the luxury of time.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
And so there are times we're going to have conversations that we maybe don't want to have in the moment or we may be pushed into a situation where we have to speak on something because every day is different. Every day, you know, you're presented with new issues in this experience and you just don't have a lot of time. And so I recognize that, you know, and I see you can see it on her face.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I recognize that she's uncomfortable. And so it was a it was a difficult conversation. It was I. I wanted me to recognize where she was at, but also communicate what I was feeling in the moment. Because we were less than a week out at that point, I believe, before the marriage.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Me? No. So for some reason or another, our depiction of our relationship is very focused on our physical connection. And it seems as if our sexual connection, our physical connection is something that's like hyper important for me. It's important, but it's not, it wasn't everything. And ultimately it wasn't the, it wasn't something that shifted sort of my
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
my my decision in the end um i i talked a lot about like our differences in our energies and i know that word is like sometimes it's just vague it's like what do you mean by energy and so but i think we saw some of it like at the reunion but also just the way we we we perceive things the way we react to things uh the way we approach things is just i my sort of temperament i'm just very
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
like level, very just kind of, you're not going to see me like way too high or way too low. And so there was just a big difference in compatibility with us when it came to that. And it sort of sprouts out into other aspects of our relationship and our dynamic.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
And so in the end, I just, I didn't feel like there was that compatibility there because it's something that would have, it would have affected our day-to-day life if we decided to get married.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Yeah, so yeah, there wasn't any sort of relationship or anything. So here's the thing. In this experience, you go zero to 100 very quickly. And you fall in love very quickly. You have these really genuine, intense feelings for each other very quickly. And once something like this ends, those feelings don't go away. Those desires, all of those things do not go away.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
And in the months that followed after the breakup, I made myself available to Marissa in any capacity that she needed in terms of our conversation, in terms of helping Marissa just find the closure that she needed. This was a very heartbreaking, obviously, everyone saw it, heartbreaking experience. sort of situation. She had a lot of questions that I wanted to provide clarity for.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
And so, yeah, we talked a lot. And there were occasions where she happened to be in D.C. and, you know, things went where they went. She would reach out and And yeah, but I also recognized very quickly, too, that was not healthy. That was pretty, pretty toxic thing to do in light of, you know, just everything that's been going on, the breakup. You know, she deserves to move on.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I deserve to move on in a healthy manner. And, you know, having sex after such an intense sort of experience was was not the best decision. Yeah.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Listen, I agree 100%. In the moment, you're caught up in the emotions of everything and it's kind of like you make dumb decisions. I've been there.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I agree with you. I recognize that, you know, she was in this really vulnerable moment, but we're both vulnerable. But in terms of, you know, moving on, that wasn't the best decision to make. And in a sense, it's sort of like, you know, kind of gives her false hope, you know, and I trust me, I, I get it, I understand it. And it was the wrong decision in that moment, for sure.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Yeah. So the depictions you see of everyone, obviously, on something experienced like this, everyone is sort of flattened. It's very reductive. You're turned into a one-dimensional sort of character. So yeah, I see why people would have fallen in love with Marissa. I told her, people are going to love your personality. No, she's not a terrible person.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
But you're starting to see just a broader picture of who Marissa is. You're getting more context around who she is. Interestingly enough, we had conversations leading up to the reunion Uh, there was like a few weeks there where we were speaking almost every day, um, where she, you know, she was saying like, don't worry, I'm going to defend you.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I'm going to be, you know, I'm, I'm telling her like, don't worry, we'll take care of each other. Um, I don't have any animosity towards you. She's saying she doesn't have any animosity towards me. And then the reunion happened and it seemed like things just kind of split. Um,
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
And so I, you know, at the end of the day, I'm not concerned in getting involved in like just like all the social media, just all the craziness and all of that. Like I'm a very low key dude. I'm not concerned with getting involved in all of that. You know, I guess all the drama surrounding all of this. But yeah, I think. Marissa, I definitely do think she switched up.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I do think that she sort of led me to believe that she was kind of like on my side. And now she's doing I've been reading all the interviews I've seen. You know, I saw her on speaking to you and it surprised me. But at the end of the day, you know, she's going to say what it is that she wants to say. And, you know, I can't control that.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I can only speak, you know, from my perspective and provide, you know, my story from my side. So.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Yeah. At this point, yeah, there's no relationship at all. She texted me once maybe after the reunion a couple times. But it's gone. It went from just we were pretty friendly to now there's nothing there. And that's fine. I really do want her to be able to move on. This is what's a lot.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
No, yeah, I was aware that she was dating someone. She's been dating him for the last few months or since earlier in the year. And I was aware of that. So, yeah, I'm happy for her. And if it's someone that can, you know, embrace her for who she is and she's happy, that's that's great. But yeah, it didn't catch me off guard.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
He does.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Yeah. I I've, I've heard that. And honestly, like I, I didn't really go in with that intention. Like I just kind of pieced together the look. I just like, Oh, I like this. We piece it with these pants. I like these, the loafers, whatever. But yeah, once I did put it on, I was like, damn, this does, this is giving like a little like villainy maybe, or like a little, I don't know.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
And then I, once I started seeing the remarks online, I was like, okay, I can see why people would think that, but no, I didn't go in trying to embrace the villain sort of art or whatever. It's, it just happened to, to look that way, I guess.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
I honestly, it's this is an issue between Nick and Hannah. And, you know, in the moment, I did feel sort of pressure just because I felt like I was catching jabs left and right. And it's just like I'm being pressured to respond to this because I was present in the in the moment. And so but honestly, you know, that's that's something between Nick and Hannah. They're they're both grown ass adults.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
They need to figure themselves out and whatever they have issues they have going on. In terms of what was said and wasn't said, you know, that's between them. I don't hold... I don't have any sort of animosity against Nick or anything, but I don't know.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
At a general principle level, I always have been someone that likes to just hold myself accountable for just whatever shit that I may say or do that misses the mark or if I'm ever out of line. Like, I have no problem taking responsibility for that. And so... That's where that comment came from at the end of the day. Part of it was, yeah, just kind of the pressure of the moment.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
But yeah, I'll leave it at that.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Yeah, yeah, no, for sure. Yeah, I can see obviously looking back how that moment it was. Yeah, they're pretty much dogpiling on Nick and and, you know, everyone was sort of taking jabs at him in the moment. And so, yeah, I can see, you know, when it comes to like whatever bro code or whatever. people want to sort of bring up. And so I get that perspective for sure.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
And I understand why he would be upset with me. But yeah, there's just so much that we see, there's so much that we experience behind the scenes that, you know, the audience will never be privy to. And I think sort of a lot of my reasoning came from that. But yeah, I can see how that can be perceived that way, for sure.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Uh, honestly, no. Um, I, everyone, this thing with Marissa's mother and just like the way she's, I guess, sort of spoke to me throughout the, just this entire experience, um, is something I was already aware of just early on. Um, Marissa sort of gave me a lot of insight on just how her mother communicates and how she, you know, she expresses herself.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Uh, and so, yeah, there weren't any nerves around that in terms of me responding, uh, I think at the end of the day, I just I'm not going to respond to the insults. I'm not going to respond to the threats of violence, all of that stuff. I think personally that there is a way that you can communicate very directly and pointedly what it is that you want to say without doing that.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
But at the end of the day, she's going to say what she wants to say. And I'm not going to react to that. But I'll answer, you know, whatever. questions that she had for me at that moment in the reunion.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. So when it comes to politics and stuff like that, I just let the friend groups that I'm around, it's, it's, these are conversations we have like all the time and just, you know, just like very critical, not just of what happens here in the U S you just globally.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
And in that moment, you know, coming into that conversation, I was honestly just trying to have a better understanding of sort of where Marissa stood when it came to like the military and her service. We had talked a lot about it in the pods and,
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
um and you know she was i felt in the pods was just as critical of just what she experienced and so this is her lived experience and i you can hear me say in the conversations like i don't want you to feel shame for what you your service and you know the time that you spent in the military obviously this is something that uh has shaped your life has shaped the person that you are and so at the end of the day you know we didn't land in the same camps in terms of you know our opinions about the military
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
But in that moment, even when she said, I feel like I'm being judged, I immediately stopped the conversation. And I held her hands and I told her, look, I don't want you to feel like I'm shaming you, trying to make you feel guilty for this. I understand my opinions are a lot more pointed than maybe most Americans. I know when it comes to the military, it's something that you just don't critique.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
It's sort of like the golden calf. You don't speak ill of it. You just sort of thank veterans and folks who've been in the military for their service and you sort of leave it at that. And so I understand why she felt, you know, like she was being judged in that moment. And that, that wasn't my intent going into it.
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E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
But at the end of the day, I understand that, you know, what matters is impact versus intent. And so, yeah, it's a, it's a complicated conversation. We were speaking there for probably over an hour. And, you know, there's a lot of layers to it, a lot of nuance when you, when you talk about the politics, especially something like the military. So yeah, I mean, it's,
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
So I just want to clarify that we were both very critical, although it may have come across as he was just very pro-military and I'm just like, fuck the military, which is, you know, that's I think they made it look like very sort of sort of like if we were on opposite ends of the spectrum.
The Viall Files
E835 - Love is Blind Reunion w/ Ramses, RHOC w/ Emily D Baker, RHOSLC, and Ryan Reynolds v. Martha Stewart
No, I appreciate the opportunity so much and just giving me an opportunity to speak on these topics that I know had people sort of just kind of jaw on the floor. So thank you.