Rand Paul

So I think that's part of the fraud as well.

But I think that if we audit the system, we're going to find organized gangs of Russians and Chinese doing the same thing.

We know that during COVID, there were gangs of Russian hackers and Chinese hackers stealing stuff.

There were Americans stealing stuff.

But we have to have a tie to our...

Our problem is everybody's so generous and everybody wants to help people and you're a grumpy old terrible scrooge if you don't want to give refugees more money.

But ultimately you have to give them less money or you won't get to this.

So let's say we gave them $5 billion last year.

If you give them $6 billion, do you think we're going to do a better job at rooting out the fraud or a worse job?

If you give them more money, they'll steal more money.

You have to give them less so everybody's looking harder at the money and you do it.

It's the same with the Pentagon.

If you give the Pentagon $500 billion more, do you think they're going to be better with our money or worse?

So we've got to give less money.

You've got to give less money to the refugees—

And then you have to have more scrutiny of it.

But the interesting question is, if I put forward a bill that says we're going to audit all the welfare, not just the refugee program, we're going to audit all the cash transfer programs for every state.

Do you think any Democrats will vote for that?

I don't think one would run for it.

But you could argue you're actually making it better for poor people because I'm trying to get rid of the Somalis stealing it so more of the dollars actually go to people who are poor.