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Randa Abdelfattah and Ramteen Arablui

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Al Capone and the transformation of the IRS

People were outraged.

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Al Capone and the transformation of the IRS

They were like, oh my goodness, I cannot believe that one of these richest people in America is not paying any taxes.

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Al Capone and the transformation of the IRS

And J.P.

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Al Capone and the transformation of the IRS

Morgan says, hey, no one regrets that more than I do.

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Al Capone and the transformation of the IRS

I wasn't paying taxes because I was losing money.

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Al Capone and the transformation of the IRS

How could I pay taxes on money I wasn't making?

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Al Capone and the transformation of the IRS

In other words, because he hadn't made a profit those years after the stock market crash, technically he didn't have any taxable income and hadn't evaded taxes.

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Al Capone and the transformation of the IRS

Who do you blame in that moment?

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Al Capone and the transformation of the IRS

Do you blame the taxpayer, J.P.

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Al Capone and the transformation of the IRS

Morgan, who's taking advantage of the law as best he can to minimize his taxes?

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Al Capone and the transformation of the IRS

Or do you blame the law and say, hey, Congress shouldn't have written the law like this in the first place?

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Al Capone and the transformation of the IRS

You know, you can go either way on that.

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Al Capone and the transformation of the IRS

The committee interviewed a series of other bankers.

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Al Capone and the transformation of the IRS

And by the end, it was clear.

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Al Capone and the transformation of the IRS

Unchecked stock market speculation was one of the factors that had sent the economy and the American banking system into collapse.

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Al Capone and the transformation of the IRS

So Congress quickly moved to pass a series of laws to regulate the stock market and put more checks in place on bankers to prevent them from gambling with people's money.

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Al Capone and the transformation of the IRS

But the tax question remained.

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Al Capone and the transformation of the IRS

What is the moral status of tax avoidance?

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Al Capone and the transformation of the IRS

It may be legal, but is it moral?

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Al Capone and the transformation of the IRS

FDR took this up as his personal fight.