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Randa Abdelfattah and Ramteen Arablui

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Appearances Over Time

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Al Capone and the transformation of the IRS

To him, the aggressive tax avoidance, even when legal, is just as worthy of scorn and political attack.

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Al Capone and the transformation of the IRS

Because you think about it, that's the New Deal.

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Al Capone and the transformation of the IRS

The government is relying on the tax system.

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Al Capone and the transformation of the IRS

Thing is, most of the government's revenue to fund New Deal projects, like new schools, new sewers, new sidewalks, new airports, new courthouses, came from deficit spending and from excise taxes.

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Al Capone and the transformation of the IRS

Taxes on goods like tobacco, cars, radios, and alcohol, as Prohibition ended in 1933.

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Al Capone and the transformation of the IRS

Not the income tax, which only about 5% of the population at this point, the wealthiest of the wealthy, were paying.

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Al Capone and the transformation of the IRS

But for Roosevelt, the income tax was symbolic, a way to rebuild trust with the public and restore that feeling people had when Elmer Irie took down Capone, that everyone was expected to pay their fair share.

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Al Capone and the transformation of the IRS

And he wants to name names.

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Al Capone and the transformation of the IRS

One of the names Roosevelt tells the IRS to investigate is Elmer Irie's former boss, Andrew Mellon.

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Al Capone and the transformation of the IRS

Andrew Mellon was a very prominent and very wealthy man.

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Al Capone and the transformation of the IRS

Everybody knew who he was.

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Al Capone and the transformation of the IRS

There is an old joke about Andrew Mellon that three presidents served under Andrew Mellon.

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Al Capone and the transformation of the IRS

He'd been Treasury Secretary for more than 11 years.

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Al Capone and the transformation of the IRS

Basically from the time Prohibition began.

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Al Capone and the transformation of the IRS

And what did he believe in?

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Al Capone and the transformation of the IRS

He believed in cutting taxes, more than anything else.

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Al Capone and the transformation of the IRS

I liked Mr. Mellon, and they knew it.

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Al Capone and the transformation of the IRS

Elmer initially objects to the investigation.

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Al Capone and the transformation of the IRS

He's like, there's nothing there.

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Al Capone and the transformation of the IRS

And then he gets a phone call from the new Treasury Secretary, Henry Morgenthau, a close friend of Roosevelt, who says, I order it.