Randy Roth

And so because there are a lot of people who may have confessions taken falsely like that, you know, or whatever. And then they may be guilty. But because the confession was taken illegally, it gets thrown out and their conviction gets vacated. They still guilty. You ain't innocent. You may be free, but you ain't innocent. Right. We're talking about.

And so because there are a lot of people who may have confessions taken falsely like that, you know, or whatever. And then they may be guilty. But because the confession was taken illegally, it gets thrown out and their conviction gets vacated. They still guilty. You ain't innocent. You may be free, but you ain't innocent. Right. We're talking about.

So because our system and the prosecutors start talking about beyond the reasonable doubt. You get charged for a crime in the United States, despite what you see in the news, right, where they say, well, the jury came back and found him innocent. That never happens. It cannot happen. There's no verdict for innocence. It's only guilty or not guilty. And not guilty can have many meanings.

So because our system and the prosecutors start talking about beyond the reasonable doubt. You get charged for a crime in the United States, despite what you see in the news, right, where they say, well, the jury came back and found him innocent. That never happens. It cannot happen. There's no verdict for innocence. It's only guilty or not guilty. And not guilty can have many meanings.

It could mean that you're not guilty, or there wasn't enough evidence to prove it, or it could mean that you're innocent as a driven snow. but you would never be found innocent. And so when the judge vacated the conviction, in order to file the petition to get these young men compensated, we had to have him say, because no other judge can say it. They didn't do it. He did it.

It could mean that you're not guilty, or there wasn't enough evidence to prove it, or it could mean that you're innocent as a driven snow. but you would never be found innocent. And so when the judge vacated the conviction, in order to file the petition to get these young men compensated, we had to have him say, because no other judge can say it. They didn't do it. He did it.

So we have to have this judge say, the reason why I vacated your convictions is because I found sufficient evidence to find by clear and convincing standards.

So we have to have this judge say, the reason why I vacated your convictions is because I found sufficient evidence to find by clear and convincing standards.

We said it right after Ian got exonerated to the press on the courthouse steps that we were not going to stop trying to find out who unknown male number one was.

We said it right after Ian got exonerated to the press on the courthouse steps that we were not going to stop trying to find out who unknown male number one was.

Yeah, the Dana Ireland murder was horrendous. And what I remember, there was just so much news coverage, as one would expect, certainly appropriate, over a long period of time because it took them a while to zero in on the people that they said had done it. I thought I was keeping up with it, but I very much got the impression that people that they had said did it, including Ian Schweitzer.

Yeah, the Dana Ireland murder was horrendous. And what I remember, there was just so much news coverage, as one would expect, certainly appropriate, over a long period of time because it took them a while to zero in on the people that they said had done it. I thought I was keeping up with it, but I very much got the impression that people that they had said did it, including Ian Schweitzer.

The mental impression that I formed from the news coverage was that these are some troublemakers. For whatever reason, I've always probably thought more highly of police and prosecutors than the average person. I've kiddingly told students that I think half of my students were wired to be prosecutors and I think as much as

The mental impression that I formed from the news coverage was that these are some troublemakers. For whatever reason, I've always probably thought more highly of police and prosecutors than the average person. I've kiddingly told students that I think half of my students were wired to be prosecutors and I think as much as

what the reporters were reporting and their spin on all of this, I was, I think, shame on me, ready to believe the worst because why would the police lie? Why would the prosecutors lie? And even if they weren't lying, why would they be so badly mistaken if they deal in this world every single day?

what the reporters were reporting and their spin on all of this, I was, I think, shame on me, ready to believe the worst because why would the police lie? Why would the prosecutors lie? And even if they weren't lying, why would they be so badly mistaken if they deal in this world every single day?

He had been working as a nurse, which once we got to know him just seemed like a perfect occupation for him.

He had been working as a nurse, which once we got to know him just seemed like a perfect occupation for him.