Ray D'Arcy

And there's some interesting stuff about that.

And obviously, it expands beyond Artemis II.

And there are life learnings for all of us about living in close quarters and relationships and stress and all that.

That's coming after this.

So Colman Octor, psychoanalyst specialising with children and adolescents.

And today, later on, we're going to talk about Artemis II and the crew, the four of them, who've created history over the last week and the psychology of what it's like to be with three other people in a confined space.

when you're going through such historic and stressful adventures, I suppose.

But first, parenting.

Parenting.

Colman is the author of The Four Seven Zone, and in that he gives some really solid advice on parenting.

And I suppose we think we know as parents what to say to children, but we're probably saying the wrong things.

Hello, Colman.

How are you, Ray?

How's it going?

Good, good.

I suppose the first thing, just on a practical thing from your work, is the parent always in the room when you're doing a session?

So your job really is then for younger children is to, it's therapy for both.

So you're probably talking to the parent about how they communicate with the child.

And you said that before, but it's worth mentioning again and again and again, isn't it?

Yeah, because there is a difference between what they can't do and what they won't do.