Ray D'Arcy

And it's about childhood trauma.

And the book really is what you said there.

It's bad things happen to kids.

They act out.

Yeah.

And unfortunately, because people in the educational system don't understand, society in general doesn't understand, then they're sidelined, marginalised, end up in prison and...

I wouldn't have put you down as a gambler.

And there is an understanding of it.

Unfortunately, I think there isn't sort of a wide societal understanding of it.

Because if there was, there'd be more compassion towards people who suffer from addiction.

I agree with that.

Yeah, and...

Like a lot of people who end up in prison, they are addicts and the addiction comes from something else.

And there's a lot of dual diagnosis that's been missed.

So they self-medicate because they could be suffering from, I don't know, bipolar or schizophrenia or something like that.

And then they end up in prison and that's not where they should be.

Anyway, your brother was a Buddhist.

Right, okay.

And a lot of the self-help books, I don't know if you read self-help books.

I do, yeah.