Ray D'Arcy

They seem to be at different ends of, you know, a spectrum there, don't they?

What are we talking about there?

So you're talking Maggie Thatcher, Bertie Ahernstone.

Because these people publicly came out and said they only needed five hours sleep.

How do you know?

You've nothing to compare it to.

So what do you do when you can't sleep?

You overcompensate.

The fact that you only get four hours sleep and, you know, you're up in the middle of the night writing a chapter of a book or a column for a newspaper or playing the guitar or whatever you're doing.

Yeah, that's not normal.

And the fact that you constantly forget things, that's not normal.

I think the brilliant thing is that you've managed to, you know, come up with workarounds, as they call them now, for a lot of stuff.

And I suppose helped by the fact of your knowledge and what you do for a living.

Let's get into a bit of the science of it then.

Is it hereditary?

When something's genetic then, does it mean that it's chemical, that there's some sort of an imbalance or is it the way the brain is built or what?

They understand what's going on.

And is time management an aspect of it as well that we haven't covered yet?

And in your article for The Examiner, like you use the word fashionable.

You also cited a joke, a Ricky Gervais joke, which, how did it go?