Ray Gutierrez

I was just going to say, this could easily become the Bella podcast, but you literally went through what most men either experience because it's part of being a man, either a separation.

I understood that wearing literally your emotions on your sleeve gets you through a lot of doors.

And you get it.

Like we understand the guff, especially as Miamians.

But you go through this evolution or you go through this ego death where I'm tired of sitting at home feeling successful, but I'm really not because I'm playing video games all day and being free of constraints isn't really success.

But once you start seeing all this ink and understanding that when you sit there for a six hour session as an entrepreneur, there's a lot going on here.

There's a lot going on there.

And you're sort of talk about what it's like to literally wear your story on your body.

Yeah.

You want it to ascend.

You want it much more than just, you know.

There's nothing wrong with that, man.

Yeah, for sure.

For sure.

Have you ever watched a film, American Beauty?

I highly recommend it.

I feel like it's essentially what you transitioned into where it's like you've come into your own where it's like, no, dude, I want so much more for myself.

I don't want the standard traditional thing that was created and curated for me or the things that I've been advertised to think I'm supposed to become.

Oh, for sure.

I highly recommend you watch that film.