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Rebecca Winthrop

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224 total appearances

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The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

human-to-human contact. And if you put the same sentences on a screen, they don't learn it. Our neurobiology is not going to change in, you know, five years. So we have to work with—that's the only confines I think we really have to work with, and everything else I think we can reimagine. But it's true that when kids get older— You do want to teach AI literacy.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

human-to-human contact. And if you put the same sentences on a screen, they don't learn it. Our neurobiology is not going to change in, you know, five years. So we have to work with—that's the only confines I think we really have to work with, and everything else I think we can reimagine. But it's true that when kids get older— You do want to teach AI literacy.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

When kids understand this is true for social media too, when kids sort of learn about, oh, these big companies are trying to addict me. They're doing it for free, but I get with my attention and staying on it longer is how they make money. You tell that to teenagers. Actually, there's been great research on this and they get pissed off. I think we need to do the same with AI literacy.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

When kids understand this is true for social media too, when kids sort of learn about, oh, these big companies are trying to addict me. They're doing it for free, but I get with my attention and staying on it longer is how they make money. You tell that to teenagers. Actually, there's been great research on this and they get pissed off. I think we need to do the same with AI literacy.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

Like this is how it works. It's not some magical thing. It's not another human being. So when kids get older, we need to teach them about that. And then they need, when they get older, they need to start playing with it, playing with it, using it. But my huge caveat is with AI that is designed for kids. Right now, there is a spring fling race by the large AI labs to get students to sign up.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

Like this is how it works. It's not some magical thing. It's not another human being. So when kids get older, we need to teach them about that. And then they need, when they get older, they need to start playing with it, playing with it, using it. But my huge caveat is with AI that is designed for kids. Right now, there is a spring fling race by the large AI labs to get students to sign up.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

You've got ChatGPT giving two months free of GPT Plus. Then you got XAI come in, two months free for SuperGrok. And then Google, not to be outdone, is like, well, you can get a year free and I'll give you two terabytes of storage. And these are largely for college students. And Google just made Gemini available for kids through Parents with Family Plan. And they are racing.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

You've got ChatGPT giving two months free of GPT Plus. Then you got XAI come in, two months free for SuperGrok. And then Google, not to be outdone, is like, well, you can get a year free and I'll give you two terabytes of storage. And these are largely for college students. And Google just made Gemini available for kids through Parents with Family Plan. And they are racing.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

to get allegiance of young kids. This is terrible because those products are not designed for children and for learning.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

to get allegiance of young kids. This is terrible because those products are not designed for children and for learning.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

So I think that AI has real potential for very specific use cases, particularly around access gaps. And in Nigeria, what was done was after school, twice a week, an AI tutor helped kids learn English. And it was for six weeks, which is not long. It was June, July, I think. And it was a randomized controlled trial.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

So I think that AI has real potential for very specific use cases, particularly around access gaps. And in Nigeria, what was done was after school, twice a week, an AI tutor helped kids learn English. And it was for six weeks, which is not long. It was June, July, I think. And it was a randomized controlled trial.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

We're still waiting for all the evidence to come through, but 0.3 standard deviations, which is pretty good, equivalent to maybe two years of average sort of English learning. And we see that difference with other technologies, too. It doesn't have to be Gen AI. It can be rule-based AI. It could be predictive AI.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

We're still waiting for all the evidence to come through, but 0.3 standard deviations, which is pretty good, equivalent to maybe two years of average sort of English learning. And we see that difference with other technologies, too. It doesn't have to be Gen AI. It can be rule-based AI. It could be predictive AI.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

We've seen sort of similar benefits, for example, in Malawi, teaching literacy and numeracy to kids with offline tablets where teachers have maybe 80 to 100 kids in a class. And each kid is having sort of a personalized adaptive learning experience. That is hugely beneficial as well. So that's one use case. Another use case that I think is really great is neurodivergent kids. Super helpful.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

We've seen sort of similar benefits, for example, in Malawi, teaching literacy and numeracy to kids with offline tablets where teachers have maybe 80 to 100 kids in a class. And each kid is having sort of a personalized adaptive learning experience. That is hugely beneficial as well. So that's one use case. Another use case that I think is really great is neurodivergent kids. Super helpful.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

There's all sorts of kids that have different learning differences that struggle in school, don't have access to the specialists that they need, that would benefit greatly from being in a classroom where they could have a little assistant to help them navigate. My youngest son has dyslexia and they sort of read and write, text-to-speech, speech-to-text has been game-changing for him.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

There's all sorts of kids that have different learning differences that struggle in school, don't have access to the specialists that they need, that would benefit greatly from being in a classroom where they could have a little assistant to help them navigate. My youngest son has dyslexia and they sort of read and write, text-to-speech, speech-to-text has been game-changing for him.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

There's also use cases here in the U.S. You see AI being used and experimented around supporting wellness advisors who kind of fill the gap for school counselors in rural school districts, for example, where they don't have school counselors. which is actually an actual person, but AI is boosting that person's ability to have a helpful conversation with a kid.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

There's also use cases here in the U.S. You see AI being used and experimented around supporting wellness advisors who kind of fill the gap for school counselors in rural school districts, for example, where they don't have school counselors. which is actually an actual person, but AI is boosting that person's ability to have a helpful conversation with a kid.