Reshma Saujani

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The Tamsen Show · Reshma Saujani: Imposter Syndrome Is a Lie - Here’s the Truth · 9 Apr 2025 podcast

Aber wenn du sagst, ich war nicht immer die Frau, also wie konntest du die Frau sein?

Ich glaube, ich konnte diese Frau sein, weil ich die Leute kennengelernt habe, die ich als klüger oder qualifizierter als ich war. Und ich wusste, dass sie es nicht sind.

Und ich wusste auch, dass ich ein Verletzter der Kottage-Industrie war, die Frauen lehnt, um ihre Selbstvertrauen zu erhöhen, um sich zu stärken, um eine andere Fähigkeit zu bekommen, um ein anderes Buch zu lesen, dass man nie genug ist. And I think this narrative that somehow as women, as people of color, we've snuck in the door, that someone has lowered the bar for us.

And I think being a CEO, being someone who hires people, being in these rooms, being on these boards of Harvard or MoMA, it's like, I am like, oh, no, no, no, no, no. No one just lets us in. We have to crawl, fight, push our way in.

I always get so frustrated when I hear people like, oh, can you believe she's done this and this? I'm like, no, because she worked her ass off to do that. And so I look at that and I say, you're right. The imposter syndrome is really, it's not a thing. That is not a thing. What do we call it though instead? Because we do have that.

I mean, I have had that before where I, you know, I tell a story of getting up on a stage and feeling like in front of Martha Stewart. And I thought, oh my gosh, everyone's so much better. Und nach diesem Gespräch kamen sie zu mir und sagten, dass sie so aufgeregt waren über das Gespräch und es sie weinte. Und ich dachte, warte, was? Also das war ich, als ich Impostor-Syndrom hatte.

Nicht unbedingt, was das war.

Ja, also zuerst einmal, ich denke, es gibt Angst, wenn du der Einzige bist.

I agree with that completely.

And that's a natural feeling. I feel that way when I'm in a boardroom and it's mostly men and I'm the only woman. And when I'm about to raise my hand and ask a question and you kind of sometimes see that blank look, right? I'm like, oh, do they think I'm stupid? Do I belong here? Do you still think that now? Of course, because I still think it's like anything. It's like when you're meditating.

Do the thoughts still come? Yes, they do. Oh, yes, they do. Und jedes Mal, wenn meine Freundinnen einen negativen Gespräch machen, frage ich sie, wovon es geht. Ich höre alle von uns über das Impostor-Syndrom sprechen und fühle mich so. Und ich frage mich, wann hat das Impostor-Syndrom angefangen? Woher kam es her? Und was ich gelernt habe, ist, dass das Impostor-Syndrom in den 70er-Jahren kam.

Also in den 70er-Jahren war es eine Weltwelle für Frauen. Title IX, Roe v. Wade, wir hatten die Kontrolle über unsere Reproduktivrechte, die Frauen begannen, in den Arbeitsplatz zu reisen. Es gab eine Veränderung in der Kultur. Es gab eine Veränderung im Arbeitsplatz von mehr und mehr und mehr Frauen, die einsteigen.

An dieser Zeit ist genau dann, als dieser Begriff kommt, außer es heißt Imposter Phänomenon. Und es wurde tatsächlich benutzt und geschaffen, um weiße Frauen zu beschreiben. Phänomenum turns into syndrome. Now, anytime you put, you interview doctors all the time, so you recognize this. When you call something a syndrome, we immediately think, oh, that's biological. It's inevitable, right?

That I am going to, I can't help it. Most women think imposter syndrome is kind of like that. It's biological. It's inevitable that women, that I am going to feel this way at some point in my life. That's why it's so universal. Going back to the fact that every woman will essentially raise their hand and say, I experienced this and it prevented me from actually taking drugs.

So I think it's really important when we see these things in particular for women and for people of color to recognize when did that term start and what context did it start in? And so I always look for what I call the cons. And imposter syndrome very much falls into becoming popularized in culture at a time of a tremendous amount of women's progress.

Anytime you see women's progress, right, you will see essentially a backlash. Wir sehen es gerade.

Es ist so lustig, wenn wir, wir haben immer gesagt, dass die Geschichte sich wiederholt. Wir wissen das. Aber es ist immer interessant für mich, zu sehen, wie es sich wiederholt in jedem unserer Leben. Ob es um Imposter-Syndrom geht, oder es kommt von der Mutter, es kommt von der Mittagszeit, der Menopause. Es gibt so viele verschiedene Orte. Ja. that I see that backlash happening.

Like, you know, I call it in midlife, it's like the midlife penalty. And you see it essentially like, you know, the biggest gender pay gap is actually for women over age 50. Because we feel like either, you know, you're going to have all these caregiving responsibilities or you're going to be experiencing menopause. Employers are like, it's not worth it. We don't want to hire women over 50.

We don't want to promote that. And you see it with health. As you know, as the expert kind of in this field of like, why is it that we don't invest in women's health? And we haven't talked about investing in women's health. Do I need to take something? Do I need to take the day off? They're like, no, no, no, you'll be fine. It's a little pinch.

Now, as someone who's had a handful of DNCs and miscarriages and all the fertility stuff, that's exactly what they say about C-Sections, about DNCs, right? It's a pinch. Because they're doing it all the time. So, of course, you know, I get my biopsy. It is not a fucking pinch. It's not a pinch. Okay. I have a fundraising meeting and a panel, you know, that I'm going to speak at. Oh mein Gott.

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