Rev. James Martin

Yeah. I mean, Tom Reese, our editor at America Media, was fired by Cardinal Ratzinger, which was his right to do. The future Pope Benedict. Correct. Yeah. And he often said that I got fired for writing things and publishing things that Pope Francis is now saying, you know, from the pulpit. So I think that's a fair comment. People felt freer to express themselves. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, Tom Reese, our editor at America Media, was fired by Cardinal Ratzinger, which was his right to do. The future Pope Benedict. Correct. Yeah. And he often said that I got fired for writing things and publishing things that Pope Francis is now saying, you know, from the pulpit. So I think that's a fair comment. People felt freer to express themselves. Yeah.

No, you know, here's the thing. Look, I didn't always agree with St. John Paul II or Benedict, but I tried not to be critical. And also I was careful not to go out of bounds and try to color in the lines. I think, you know, as a Jesuit, I mean, we've been dealing with popes for 450 years, and so you have to, in a good way, you have to come to peace with that. And also, like, this is spiritual.

No, you know, here's the thing. Look, I didn't always agree with St. John Paul II or Benedict, but I tried not to be critical. And also I was careful not to go out of bounds and try to color in the lines. I think, you know, as a Jesuit, I mean, we've been dealing with popes for 450 years, and so you have to, in a good way, you have to come to peace with that. And also, like, this is spiritual.

They come and go, but the Jesuit order continues. No, what I meant was, you know, in a good way, we take vows of obedience, and we have a special vow of obedience with regard to missions to the pope. So we see him as our leader. And even if we don't disagree with them— We go along, we try to support his way of being Pope.

They come and go, but the Jesuit order continues. No, what I meant was, you know, in a good way, we take vows of obedience, and we have a special vow of obedience with regard to missions to the pope. So we see him as our leader. And even if we don't disagree with them— We go along, we try to support his way of being Pope.

So whoever the next Pope will be, I'll work with him and try to promote what he's saying. And sure, yeah. I'm actually very excited to see who it's going to be. I think you're going to see someone who's a little bit more moderate, a little bit more of a stabilizing influence.

So whoever the next Pope will be, I'll work with him and try to promote what he's saying. And sure, yeah. I'm actually very excited to see who it's going to be. I think you're going to see someone who's a little bit more moderate, a little bit more of a stabilizing influence.

Here's the answer you don't get from Jesuits a lot. I don't know. That's interesting, because I would say that each person who comes in is going to have his or her, his, obviously, predilection and sort of way of governing. My sense, you might disagree with this, my sense is that Francis was a lot more patient with his critics, who were much more vocal than critics under St.

Here's the answer you don't get from Jesuits a lot. I don't know. That's interesting, because I would say that each person who comes in is going to have his or her, his, obviously, predilection and sort of way of governing. My sense, you might disagree with this, my sense is that Francis was a lot more patient with his critics, who were much more vocal than critics under St.

John Paul or Pope Benedict. And I think he gave them a lot of leeway. But yeah, I mean, eventually he brought the hammer down on some people. But I think that was after a long time.

John Paul or Pope Benedict. And I think he gave them a lot of leeway. But yeah, I mean, eventually he brought the hammer down on some people. But I think that was after a long time.

Well, my sense was that he was very patient with people who were above and beyond. I mean, I don't know any example under John Paul or Benedict— cardinals and archbishops who were so vocal, you know, calling him a heretic and an apostate and a false pope. I just didn't see that under John Paul and under Benedict. So I think he was more patient about

Well, my sense was that he was very patient with people who were above and beyond. I mean, I don't know any example under John Paul or Benedict— cardinals and archbishops who were so vocal, you know, calling him a heretic and an apostate and a false pope. I just didn't see that under John Paul and under Benedict. So I think he was more patient about

Now, in terms of the Latin Mass, here's how I see that. As I understand it, the Second Vatican Council encouraged the church to turn towards the vernacular. That was in general what the council was trying to do. The Latin Mass continued in certain places.

Now, in terms of the Latin Mass, here's how I see that. As I understand it, the Second Vatican Council encouraged the church to turn towards the vernacular. That was in general what the council was trying to do. The Latin Mass continued in certain places.

Pope Benedict published something that said that it needs to be more widely accepted and more easily celebrated by priests without special permission and stuff. And this is how I understand, I know you might disagree, but that document was saying that this is a kind of testing period to see how it works.

Pope Benedict published something that said that it needs to be more widely accepted and more easily celebrated by priests without special permission and stuff. And this is how I understand, I know you might disagree, but that document was saying that this is a kind of testing period to see how it works.

And one of the reasons I think Pope Francis limited it, limited the use, was because he saw that kind of testing period lead to division, where certain people say, we're more Catholic than you are. Paul VI's mass doesn't count. And so I think he wanted to really sort of stop that. I know that upsets conservatives. And let me just say that I can certainly understand that because it's such a value.

And one of the reasons I think Pope Francis limited it, limited the use, was because he saw that kind of testing period lead to division, where certain people say, we're more Catholic than you are. Paul VI's mass doesn't count. And so I think he wanted to really sort of stop that. I know that upsets conservatives. And let me just say that I can certainly understand that because it's such a value.