Rev. James Martin
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first heard Apr 2025
last heard Apr 2025
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I'll say, well, I remember saying to a very good Catholic whose name I won't remember, well, you must know what diocese you're in. When the priest says the Eucharistic prayer and puts the bishop's name in, what does he say? I don't know. But they know the pope. And so I think he can have a great deal of influence. And I, you know, Ross, it's interesting.
You're talking about that, where he embraced that man with the skin condition. And, you know, I looked at that and I was terribly moved. And I thought, you know, he's influencing me. And he didn't say anything to me. I just saw this picture. So... So that's a kind of influence and that's a kind of teaching and that's a kind of unifying effect. Right. You know what I mean?
So beyond the kind of hot button issues we were talking about. So the answer is, yes, he can have an effect. And, you know, local bishops can do that from time to time. I don't want to dump on the bishops, but I think people see them less.
Yeah, I think that's accurate. I think it's that, you know, people probably are looking at their secular wives, their secular lifestyles that might not have got it and say, this feels empty. And I really believe that in every person's heart, there's a natural desire for God. And I think if that's suppressed, you know, it eventually comes back.
And I think that's what's happening kind of culture-wide. I think people are finding the secular world kind of empty, right? I mean, our hearts are restless until they rest in you, said St. Augustine. I think that's what's happening, finally. I'm surprised it took this long, actually. But yeah, I don't think it has a whole lot to do with, you know, the local bishop or even the local priest.
It's a kind of desire for God. And in that desire, I think we have to meet people, right? And they might not, there are churches often people say, And sometimes they're Jesuit churches. These are the churches for the people sort of on the way in and on the way out. And I think we have to meet them there. We have to meet them there.
And I think that's one of the things that Pope Francis was trying to do. I would say that one of his most memorable images was the church as a field hospital, which he used in the interview with America Media in 2013, which I thought was I'd never heard before. And it's just such a great image. It's open. I always think of MASH, you know, the old TV show. It's open. People are coming in.
They're getting their wounds dressed. They're getting treated. And then later, one of the images in the synod was the title of one of the working documents was enlarge the space of your tent, which I thought was so beautiful.
And so I think one of the things that Pope Francis was trying to do is to reach out exactly to people like that who might be curious and not understand the church and say, you know, welcome. This is about mercy and love and you're welcome here.
Gosh, what a great question. Now, you're going to think I'm making this up, but I want him to be a holy man who proclaims the gospel. I don't think you're making that up, but I think it's… I think there was a lot of convergence at the Senate, big word that we used a lot at the Senate, on the question of women's ordination into the diaconate.
I think there's actually a lot of convergence in different parts of the world. So I'd like to see him at least continue that conversation, which would be a big deal. You're still staying, though, with the culture.
Let me think about that. Where should he go? I think they've all... They've gone everywhere.
That would be the first place I would go. Where? Gosh, well, I'm a little biased. I worked with refugees in East Africa. I'd go to a refugee camp in northern Uganda to greet the Sudanese. Okay. That's a great question. That's a good answer. I'll accept it. But let me think. There's so many other places. Yeah. Yeah, it's funny.
Well, let me tell you, if I were Pope, which will never happen in a trillion years, I would go to Lourdes first. Okay. Yeah, no question. And then I would go to the Sea of Galilee. I mean, this is all selfish. I would go there to pray. Yeah. And then I would, it's never going to happen. And then... I go to Knock. I love Knock. This is in Ireland. In Ireland, I love that.
But of course, this is more... This is more tourism, Catholic tourism. This is all more like for the Pope's kind of personal spiritual life. But I think going to, gosh, a refugee camp in northern Uganda, Lourdes, the Sea of Galilee, Um, and then some big crazy city like New York. Right.
Uh, you know, I probably go back to Argentina cause I know the people in Argentina were upset that he didn't come back, which was very interesting. Yeah. Kind of, kind of mysterious.
Where would, where would you, where would you have him go?
They have that expression in Italian, entra papabile uscita cardinale, which means you enter a possible candidate, you leave a cardinal. You know, I really don't know. I think they're going to go for someone who's a little bit more moderate, less revolutionary. Some people have told me that the Italians feel like this is their last chance, right?
Because the church is kind of moving toward the global south, and Francis certainly appointed a lot of bishops from there. I don't know. I look at the same candidates that everybody looks at. Paroline, Pizzabala, Zuppi, Tagli. I really don't know. It's kind of exciting because I think it's pretty wide open. There's something interesting going on.
I think people misunderstand this statistic that Pope Francis has appointed whatever, 75%, 80% of the cardinals, as thinking they're all going to be in lockstep with him. If you think about it, and I'm sure you know this, Francis really tried to name cardinals from far-flung places, right? Small dioceses. Exactly.
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