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Rhonda Patrick

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The Peter Attia Drive
#369 β€’ Rethinking protein needs for performance, muscle preservation, and longevity, and the mental and physical benefits of creatine supplementation and sauna use | Rhonda Patrick, Ph.D.

I don't know specifically about that.

The Peter Attia Drive
#369 β€’ Rethinking protein needs for performance, muscle preservation, and longevity, and the mental and physical benefits of creatine supplementation and sauna use | Rhonda Patrick, Ph.D.

But I do know most of the studies that have been done comparing, and there have not been many, maybe three or four that I can think of, they have compared a regular hot sauna to infrared sauna at the same amount of time.

The Peter Attia Drive
#369 β€’ Rethinking protein needs for performance, muscle preservation, and longevity, and the mental and physical benefits of creatine supplementation and sauna use | Rhonda Patrick, Ph.D.

So in other words, the dose is the same.

The Peter Attia Drive
#369 β€’ Rethinking protein needs for performance, muscle preservation, and longevity, and the mental and physical benefits of creatine supplementation and sauna use | Rhonda Patrick, Ph.D.

Obviously, the temperature difference is pretty vast.

The Peter Attia Drive
#369 β€’ Rethinking protein needs for performance, muscle preservation, and longevity, and the mental and physical benefits of creatine supplementation and sauna use | Rhonda Patrick, Ph.D.

Depending on the study, the hot sauna could be 160 or it could be 175 or 180.

The Peter Attia Drive
#369 β€’ Rethinking protein needs for performance, muscle preservation, and longevity, and the mental and physical benefits of creatine supplementation and sauna use | Rhonda Patrick, Ph.D.

And the infrared is like 140 or something like that.

The Peter Attia Drive
#369 β€’ Rethinking protein needs for performance, muscle preservation, and longevity, and the mental and physical benefits of creatine supplementation and sauna use | Rhonda Patrick, Ph.D.

So a lot of variation in terms of the temperature of the saunas.

The Peter Attia Drive
#369 β€’ Rethinking protein needs for performance, muscle preservation, and longevity, and the mental and physical benefits of creatine supplementation and sauna use | Rhonda Patrick, Ph.D.

If you're looking at, in fact, there's like one study, like the title of something like infrared saunas does not mimic cardiovascular effects of exercise or something like that.

The Peter Attia Drive
#369 β€’ Rethinking protein needs for performance, muscle preservation, and longevity, and the mental and physical benefits of creatine supplementation and sauna use | Rhonda Patrick, Ph.D.

And that's because the given dose, if you're just doing like 20 or 30 minutes,

The Peter Attia Drive
#369 β€’ Rethinking protein needs for performance, muscle preservation, and longevity, and the mental and physical benefits of creatine supplementation and sauna use | Rhonda Patrick, Ph.D.

it's not going to be the same.

The Peter Attia Drive
#369 β€’ Rethinking protein needs for performance, muscle preservation, and longevity, and the mental and physical benefits of creatine supplementation and sauna use | Rhonda Patrick, Ph.D.

Your heart rate doesn't go up as much.

The Peter Attia Drive
#369 β€’ Rethinking protein needs for performance, muscle preservation, and longevity, and the mental and physical benefits of creatine supplementation and sauna use | Rhonda Patrick, Ph.D.

You don't feel as hot because the temperature is not as hot.

The Peter Attia Drive
#369 β€’ Rethinking protein needs for performance, muscle preservation, and longevity, and the mental and physical benefits of creatine supplementation and sauna use | Rhonda Patrick, Ph.D.

Now, you will sweat based on a different mechanism.

The Peter Attia Drive
#369 β€’ Rethinking protein needs for performance, muscle preservation, and longevity, and the mental and physical benefits of creatine supplementation and sauna use | Rhonda Patrick, Ph.D.

But as far as my take of the literature, it's pretty clear to me that infrared saunas, if you want it to mimic the cardiovascular exercise response, you might have to double that duration.

The Peter Attia Drive
#369 β€’ Rethinking protein needs for performance, muscle preservation, and longevity, and the mental and physical benefits of creatine supplementation and sauna use | Rhonda Patrick, Ph.D.

Yeah.

The Peter Attia Drive
#369 β€’ Rethinking protein needs for performance, muscle preservation, and longevity, and the mental and physical benefits of creatine supplementation and sauna use | Rhonda Patrick, Ph.D.

So rather than spending 20 minutes in 175 degree, 180 degree sauna, you're going to spend 40 minutes.

The Peter Attia Drive
#369 β€’ Rethinking protein needs for performance, muscle preservation, and longevity, and the mental and physical benefits of creatine supplementation and sauna use | Rhonda Patrick, Ph.D.

So you're giving up your time if that's the kind of sauna that you either have or enjoy.

The Peter Attia Drive
#369 β€’ Rethinking protein needs for performance, muscle preservation, and longevity, and the mental and physical benefits of creatine supplementation and sauna use | Rhonda Patrick, Ph.D.

Because if you do, and I've been in infrared saunas many times, if you stay in long enough, you get that.

The Peter Attia Drive
#369 β€’ Rethinking protein needs for performance, muscle preservation, and longevity, and the mental and physical benefits of creatine supplementation and sauna use | Rhonda Patrick, Ph.D.

You feel hot and you feel that heart rate going up just like you do when you're in a hot sauna.

The Peter Attia Drive
#369 β€’ Rethinking protein needs for performance, muscle preservation, and longevity, and the mental and physical benefits of creatine supplementation and sauna use | Rhonda Patrick, Ph.D.

It just takes a lot longer.