Rich Roll

So you mentioned like, oh, don't bring, you know, no phones for dinner, or you can do these, you can set up boundaries.

This is my deep work time, et cetera.

Or institute some kind of digital detox.

Like, do these ever work or are you just rubber band back to like your bad behavior?

I mean, it's sort of like an intermittent fast, I suppose, if you use food as an analogy, but-

we still find our way back to that compulsive behavior where we're just being impulsed almost, you know, against our will.

Negative incentives work.

Yeah, it's tough, man.

Like I'll create these rules like, well, there's a difference between using my phone to create something and using it to consume.

But that's also just artifice.

Like I can be in denial about that.

Yeah.

And I will take my phone into the gym and realize that.

A workout that should take 45 minutes ends up taking two hours and I'll justify, oh, I'm making notes or I'm having creative ideas and I'm like writing them down.

And so I'm kind of multitasking or I'm preparing for a podcast.

Same, same.

Like, no, this is not the way.

I mean the function, the aspect of that, that I like the most, I mean the money's fine and that's great, but it's, it's,

showing you those metrics so that you can break the grip of denial and actually objectively see how you're behaving.

Because it's shocking.