Rich Roll

Andrew, so good to see you, man.

Thank you for doing this.

Rich, I am back here in the Rich Rolliverse.

We're having an alfresco experience, a little touch grass moment, which is apropos for the conversation I want to have with you about the benefits of an analog life.

Yes, very apropos, very uplifting.

It's pretty common to hear someone say, like, I'm just addicted to my smartphone.

Do you think that this is like a legitimate addiction or is it just an obsessive compulsive relationship that we have?

Like, how do you think about like that?

Yes.

You're just walking into people.

The definition of addiction is the inability to control a behavior despite negative consequences.

Characterized by a compulsive need to engage in the behavior irrespective of important life priorities.

I mean, come on.

This is what we're doing.

Yeah, totally.

And I tend to have this sort of bias.

I perceive things through the lens of addiction because I'm a longtime sober person.

And if there is a silver lining in all of this, when I first got sober in 1998,

Addiction was something that you should be ashamed of, that was something on the margins that we pretended wasn't there and afflicted these poor people who ended up in the gutter or just couldn't keep the needle out of their arm or whatnot.

And now because of the smartphones, like we're all connected to this idea of addiction in a way that, you know, 10, 15 years ago, we weren't because we all feel that pull.