Richard de Crespigny

They cancelled the check and they said, now we're coming in to help you.

They're supernumerary pilots.

They don't have a role as such.

There's no procedures for five pilots in a cockpit.

So they just came in to assist.

And I told Harry, one of those captains, if all the pilots are looking up, you look down.

If we're all looking down, you look up.

right?

Because sometimes people- So you had to take control.

Take charge.

I'm responsible for the safety, the passengers, the aircraft, the cargo, the crew, the whole lot.

If someone dies, those pilots aren't pulled up into the court to explain why.

I am.

That is a really good question.

And because if you understand that background, then you can explain why things happened on QF32.

People ask the same question.

So I had to write the second book, which I call The Elements of Resilience.

I had to work out because a lot of the answers to these questions go back to how you're reared as a child.

I rode motorbikes through the bush.

We're about 10 years of age.