Richard Fidler

Like for money, I mean, rather than just cutting family, cutting the hair of members of the family.

Did it let you reclaim the idea that you once had with Rugby League before the bad times, that you might actually enjoy what you do?

George Orwell says, the hardest thing in the world to identify is the thing that's right in front of our nose most of the time.

Or the hair on our head, maybe, in disguise.

Absolutely.

Indeed.

So in 2016, you ran a 10-week course for five young Islander guys, mentoring them in the art of barbering.

Tell me about the original five, as they called themselves.

It's kind of a thing, isn't it?

The original five.

I saw a story on the feed on SBS that Pat Abood did with you and those guys and I heard them talk.

They're lovely men.

And what's interesting hearing them talk is, again, they have that kind of, they have a lot of good language, emotional language.

They can talk in a way that not a lot of young guys really can about how they think and they feel.

Is that just like a kind of a fun, or not a fun, but an interesting byproduct?

Is this something you really want them to have?

Like, this is what you have.

Is this what you want them to have or want them to learn from you?

It seems like you've become the man that your grandparents really wanted you to be.

You've got a lot of their best qualities.