Richard Gadd

But I also have learned a lot better at sort of letting go.

Yes, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, but it's very disempowering as well, isn't it?

Yes, yes.

Yeah, I think that's kind of like the human...

condition almost in a way.

I think like, I think what Halfman does, I hope is almost test people's capacity for forgiveness in a way, you know, the whole nature nurture question, which I'm certainly not educated enough to sort of have an answer to.

But I do think if I do think we're a lot of our experiences are very, very nurture, very sort of environment based.

And I think a lot of people

or grappling with things.

Most people are grappling with things.

Most people have had a period in their life where they felt unstable or really depressed or something's happened that was a great consequence or tragedy to them.

And I think that does make up a person and can lead to certain...

problems and repressions that can result in complicated behaviors and i think most human beings i know there are people who have sort of psychopathy and stuff like that but removing every equation i think most human beings the 99 of human beings are dealing with a lot of pain and a lot of

Bad actions comes from pain and comes from an inability to process it.

And I suppose with the characters of Ruben and Niall, like they're both struggling so much.

So the behavior is contextualized and then it kind of offers that to the audience and asks them how much they're kind of willing to forgive.

And I think after everything they've done in a lot of ways, I still hope, or I still believe, I suppose, that the audience might still have some sympathy for them.

Yes, yes.

Well, I thought I was.