Richard Grannon

It's just, it's a system and there are incentives in the system and whatever behavior is incentivized, we're going to move towards.

And unfortunately, the most narcissistic behaviors are the most incentivized, narcissistic and psychopathic.

And so, yeah, we kind of, we use narcissism as a defence against the narcissism.

And that's the virus.

That's how we catch the virus.

Yeah.

What are the parallels?

So it's not a proper clinical veterinary term.

It's something I think that was coined by people who are involved in animal welfare.

And they said, you know, the animals, when in captivity, they'll start rocking, they'll start walking in circles, they'll chew the bars, they'll pull out their own fur, they'll pull out their own feathers.

And they called it zookosis, zoo psychosis together, zookosis.

So if an animal is in an environment that it's not evolutionarily adapted for, it starts to go mad and it starts to suffer and it starts to engage in neurotic patterns of behavior as a form of self-soothing.

Where we started to see that happening with people, I mean, you just walk down the street, you can see people are talking to themselves, they're stimming, they rock, they chunter away to themselves.

Sometimes they'll like...

They think nobody's, when they think nobody's looking, they'll do repetitive gestures, they'll hit themselves.

And many of our gestures in our lifestyles are repetitive and meaningless self-soothing gestures that might reflect

that we've created an environment that is not a good evolutionary match for the creature that we are.

So we're sort of banging our heads against the bars of the zoo.

Politicians are humans.

So the bigger category is humans.