Richard Hasen

These were people who I think got activated in the aftermath of the 2020 election.

That was the election that was conducted during COVID.

That's the election that Biden beat Trump.

Trump filed 60-something lawsuits trying to overturn the results.

It led to the January 6th insurrection.

I'm just trying to bring...

Listeners, back to that time, this is where the conspiracy theories really blossomed.

And the people haven't stopped since then.

And they've organized and they've claimed that fraud is rife in elections.

All of their claims have been debunked.

There is no basis.

It's important to say this, I think.

There is no basis to believe that there was either foreign or domestic interference involved.

that could have changed the results of the 2020 elections in any state, much less in enough states to swing the electoral college.

These are people who are authoritarian and who are trying to have the president seize more power.

This is about trying to change our elections so that they will no longer be democratic and we would no longer have the kind of free and fair elections that

We need in order to continue to have the kind of democracy that's been promised to us since the passage of the Constitution.

He did say that, but he also said that there were 15 places where we need to take over elections.

Not clear exactly what he means by that.

I think we talked about this when we discussed my 2012 book, The Voting Wars, that most other advanced democracies have national nonpartisan election administration.