Richard Jaffe

I believe I got a phone call from someone in the room saying they heard gunshots.

Boom!

Small caliber gun, it wasn't a big caliber.

Boom!

About the second time I said it, Ben went, that was a gun.

Ardragus was in a wheelchair, as you know, and his mother brought him over to the lion's den, to the sheriff's department.

I was called by Deputy Blanton.

And he said, I heard that you were representing Rodriguez Ford.

And I went, yes, I was just contacted by the family, but I don't know anything about the case.

And he said, well, look, he's just a witness.

I mean, he just knows stuff.

And I knew Deputy Blanton, and I believed if he had information involving a police shooting, I wanted to help, and Rodriguez did too.

And against my best judgment—

I allowed Ardragus to be interviewed by him and several other Jefferson County detectives.

Perhaps around 4.30 or 5 when we broke, I found out that our Dragus was still there.

So he'd been there all day, like maybe nine hours.

And I was extremely distraught.

So I hurried over there, it was just across the street.

And when I got into the very large room, it was buzzing with detectives and police officers and you could feel the tension.

It was enormous amount of tension.