Richard Miles

Over 1,200.

So we did do a lifetime deal on AppSumo.

They do pay us because we have other products.

in-app purchases that they buy.

And the AppSumo users are, a lot of people are just, they buy it, it's fear of missing out.

They buy it, they park it, and they don't use it.

They have a lot of active users from there though.

And it was a good launch strategy for us because it gave us a lot of really good, very quick, hard

uh feedback about hey it ought to do this and it ought to do this and it ought to do this um that really helped us iterate and get to the state that we're in today um now we're doing uh we're we're not on that platform we don't do lifetime deals anymore um we do so how many how many customers today are paying you something monthly uh several hundred several hundred you said or seven hundred several hundred several hundred okay so maybe two three hundred something like that something like that

Um...

I can't say that we succeeded massively at moving all of the lifetime guys.

I mean, there's just a whole cadre of people that are just like, we want a lifetime deal.

We don't want to pay for software.

And you're like, but you want me to be here to support you, don't you?

You want me to be here to keep innovating and to keep offering products.

So those people that, some of them are still really active users and they've referred other people to us and they've been, you know, it's been a good user base.

I don't have a secret sauce that says, here's how you move that guy that is completely deal-based, wanted to pay once for software and never pay for it again into paying you monthly.

I know.

We offered it with unlimited.

And we didn't have this sort of tier that was like, here's this really great lifetime deal, but it really kind of sucks and you got to pay us more money to get it.