Richard Osman

I felt like a lot of the podcast was him asking questions and trying to work out who he was.

And that's absolutely fine by me.

I think that's fairly compelling in its own way.

And after that podcast, whenever you do anything, any TV or podcast, you will get people come up and talk to you about it.

And that, a very, very different group of people came up and talked to me in a very, very different way and a very interesting way.

So I've always, always been grateful I did that show and grateful I said some of the things I said and reached out to an audience who might not have heard that otherwise.

So that's always been my thing with Stephen Bartlett.

I sort of think...

Fair enough, and you can't deny that he now is enormously successful.

Then he went on Dragon's Den, which I do have an opinion on, which we will get to.

He is unbelievably good on Dragon's Den.

He's exactly what they need on that.

They didn't have a digital native on that, and he brings a completely different energy to it.

So he is somebody who I think has done extremely well.

He clearly has elements of being a chancer, but also he has elements of not being a chancer.

You know, he has followed through and he has made an awful lot of money in a very, very interesting way.

Now he is in this wellness world.

I think there are issues.

There are issues for our broader culture.

I think there are certainly issues for the BBC.