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Richard Sutton

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

We're not arguing.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

We're trying to share our different ways of thinking with each other.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

No, I think about it the same way.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

But still, it's a small thing on top of basic trial and error learning, prediction learning.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

And that's what distinguishes us, perhaps, from many animals.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

But we're an animal first.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

And we were an animal before we had language and all those other things.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Morphics.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Let's lay out a little bit about what it is.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

It says that experience, action, sensation, well, sensation, action, reward, and then this happens on and on and on, makes more life.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

It says that this is the foundation and the focus of intelligence.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Intelligence is about taking that stream and altering the actions to increase the rewards in the stream.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Right.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

So learning then is from the stream.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

and learning is about the stream.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

So that second part is particularly telling.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

What you learn, your knowledge, your knowledge is about the stream.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Your knowledge is about if you do some action, what will happen?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Or it's about which events will follow other events.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

It's about the stream.