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Richard Sutton

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

And we have examples of we did something and there were consequences.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

But there are no examples of supervised learning.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Supervised learning is not something that happens in nature.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

And, you know...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

School, even if that was the case, we should forget about it because that's some special thing that happens in people.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

It doesn't happen broadly in nature.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Squirrels don't go to school.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Squirrels can learn all about the world.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

It's absolutely obvious, I would say, that supervised learning doesn't happen in animals.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Why are you trying to distinguish humans?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Humans are animals.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

What we have in common is more interesting.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

What we have, what distinguishes us, we should be paying less attention to.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

So I like the way you consider that obvious because I consider the opposite obvious.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Yeah, I think we have to understand how we are animals.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

And if we understood a squirrel, I think we'd be almost all the way there.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

It's understanding human intelligence.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

The language part is just a small veneer on the surface.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Okay, so this is great.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

You know, we're finding out the very different ways that we're thinking.