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Richard Sutton

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

But I don't know.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

I think I would even say it about school.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

But formal schooling is the exception.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Don't be difficult.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

I mean, this is obvious.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

So I don't think learning is really about training.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

I think learning is about learning.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

It's about an active process.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

The child tries things and sees what happens.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Right.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Yeah, it does not.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

We don't think about training when we think of an infant growing up.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

These things are actually rather well understood.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

If you go to look about how psychologists think about learning, there's nothing like imitation.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Maybe there are some extreme cases where humans might do that or appear to do that, but there is no basic animal learning process called imitation.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

The basic animal learning process is for prediction and for trial and error control.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

I mean, it's really interesting how sometimes the most hardest things to see are the obvious ones.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

It's obvious if you just look at animals and how they learn and you look at psychology and how our theories of them, it's obvious that supervised learning is not part of the way animals learn.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

We don't have examples of desired behavior.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton – Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

What we have is examples of things that happened, one thing that followed another.