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Richard Sutton

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton โ€“ Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

I think more interesting is just think about that case.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton โ€“ Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Which when you have many AIs, will they help each other?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton โ€“ Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

the way cultural evolution works in people.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton โ€“ Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Let's just, maybe we should talk about that.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton โ€“ Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

The bitter lesson, oh, who cares about that?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton โ€“ Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

That's an empirical observation about a particular period in history.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton โ€“ Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

70 years in history, no longer, doesn't necessarily have to apply the next 70 years.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton โ€“ Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

So the interesting question is, you're an AI, you get some more computer power.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton โ€“ Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Should you use it to make yourself more computationally capable?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton โ€“ Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Or should you use it to spawn off a copy of yourself to go learn something interesting on the other side of the planet or on some other topic and then report back to you?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton โ€“ Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Yep.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton โ€“ Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

I think that's a really interesting question that will only arise in the age of digital intelligences.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton โ€“ Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

I'm not sure what the answer is, but I think it will... More questions.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton โ€“ Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Will it be possible to really spawn it off, send it out, learn something new, something perhaps very new, and then will it be able to be reincorporated into the original?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton โ€“ Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Or will it have changed so much that...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton โ€“ Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

It can't really be done.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton โ€“ Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Is that possible or is it not?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton โ€“ Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

And you can carry this to its limit, as I saw one of your videos the other night that suggested that it could, where you spawn off many, many copies, do different things, highly decentralized, but report back to the central master.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton โ€“ Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

And that this will be such a powerful thing.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Richard Sutton โ€“ Father of RL thinks LLMs are a dead-end

Well, I think one thing that, so this is my attempt to add something to this view, is that a big question, a big issue will become corruption.