Rick Doblin

And then it was like vibrations going up and up and up, like this kind of unity between him and the people. And it just was terrifying. And then I realized that there's no way I can get into his head. Like you're saying, the psychopaths that are often politicians, that they're getting so much out of it. But it's the people giving away their power that I thought that's where the solution has to be.

So MAPS is about mass mental health, about a spiritualized humanity. And so that led to this understanding for me that – That safety for humanity is not just giving drugs to the leaders and having them wake up. It's about anchoring mass mental health and that the people that are giving away their power are getting less from it than the people that are amassing all this power.

So MAPS is about mass mental health, about a spiritualized humanity. And so that led to this understanding for me that – That safety for humanity is not just giving drugs to the leaders and having them wake up. It's about anchoring mass mental health and that the people that are giving away their power are getting less from it than the people that are amassing all this power.

So MAPS is about mass mental health, about a spiritualized humanity. And so that led to this understanding for me that – That safety for humanity is not just giving drugs to the leaders and having them wake up. It's about anchoring mass mental health and that the people that are giving away their power are getting less from it than the people that are amassing all this power.

So that led to this idea. We need to medicalize. We need to go, you know, to produce real scientific evidence about benefits and risks. But at the same time, there needs to be drug policy reform where we need access to people in a way preventative medicine or if they don't have a diagnosis so that it's this two parallel paths. One is science and medicine. The other is drug policy reform.

So that led to this idea. We need to medicalize. We need to go, you know, to produce real scientific evidence about benefits and risks. But at the same time, there needs to be drug policy reform where we need access to people in a way preventative medicine or if they don't have a diagnosis so that it's this two parallel paths. One is science and medicine. The other is drug policy reform.

So that led to this idea. We need to medicalize. We need to go, you know, to produce real scientific evidence about benefits and risks. But at the same time, there needs to be drug policy reform where we need access to people in a way preventative medicine or if they don't have a diagnosis so that it's this two parallel paths. One is science and medicine. The other is drug policy reform.

And then we talked about earlier about educating young people. We need honest drug education. People have died from taking ecstasy contaminated with fentanyl. We need pure drugs. We need pure support, treatment on demand. But I think the drug war is so counterproductive that if we could just turn a switch, it would be worth it.

And then we talked about earlier about educating young people. We need honest drug education. People have died from taking ecstasy contaminated with fentanyl. We need pure drugs. We need pure support, treatment on demand. But I think the drug war is so counterproductive that if we could just turn a switch, it would be worth it.

And then we talked about earlier about educating young people. We need honest drug education. People have died from taking ecstasy contaminated with fentanyl. We need pure drugs. We need pure support, treatment on demand. But I think the drug war is so counterproductive that if we could just turn a switch, it would be worth it.

But we need to really anchor and build kind of a healthier culture and healthier people. But it has to be sort of masses rather than just individuals.

But we need to really anchor and build kind of a healthier culture and healthier people. But it has to be sort of masses rather than just individuals.

But we need to really anchor and build kind of a healthier culture and healthier people. But it has to be sort of masses rather than just individuals.

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Yeah. And it promotes aggression as well.

Yeah. And it promotes aggression as well.

Yeah. And it promotes aggression as well.

Well, and you talked about the berserkers.