Rick Doblin

But what he found was that the women that were pregnant and were addicted were driven away from— Your fucking phone is dinging again, man.

But what he found was that the women that were pregnant and were addicted were driven away from— Your fucking phone is dinging again, man.

But what he found was that the women that were pregnant and were addicted were driven away from— Your fucking phone is dinging again, man.

But he found that these women were dissuaded from seeking treatment.

But he found that these women were dissuaded from seeking treatment.

But he found that these women were dissuaded from seeking treatment.

Because they were worried that they would have their babies taken away from them because they were worried they were going to go to jail. So the drug war... is counterproductive in that the people that need the help the most are driven away from seeking it because of the stigma and shame and criminality.

Because they were worried that they would have their babies taken away from them because they were worried they were going to go to jail. So the drug war... is counterproductive in that the people that need the help the most are driven away from seeking it because of the stigma and shame and criminality.

Because they were worried that they would have their babies taken away from them because they were worried they were going to go to jail. So the drug war... is counterproductive in that the people that need the help the most are driven away from seeking it because of the stigma and shame and criminality.

Well, that's the important point, what you just said. People were going there. So what that means is that, and we saw this in Zurich. So there was a place in Zurich multiple decades ago called Needle Park. where they decided to provide access to health care, access to safe injection sites, things like this for heroin addicts and others in Zurich.

Well, that's the important point, what you just said. People were going there. So what that means is that, and we saw this in Zurich. So there was a place in Zurich multiple decades ago called Needle Park. where they decided to provide access to health care, access to safe injection sites, things like this for heroin addicts and others in Zurich.

Well, that's the important point, what you just said. People were going there. So what that means is that, and we saw this in Zurich. So there was a place in Zurich multiple decades ago called Needle Park. where they decided to provide access to health care, access to safe injection sites, things like this for heroin addicts and others in Zurich.

And it was working because when you treat people as humans like that, they will often seek other treatment. And then if they're not necessarily criminals, but then... people come from all over and overwhelm the capacity because it's this one humane site. And then it became an open-air drug market. Just people from all over Europe started coming, and then they had the backlash.

And it was working because when you treat people as humans like that, they will often seek other treatment. And then if they're not necessarily criminals, but then... people come from all over and overwhelm the capacity because it's this one humane site. And then it became an open-air drug market. Just people from all over Europe started coming, and then they had the backlash.

And it was working because when you treat people as humans like that, they will often seek other treatment. And then if they're not necessarily criminals, but then... people come from all over and overwhelm the capacity because it's this one humane site. And then it became an open-air drug market. Just people from all over Europe started coming, and then they had the backlash.

So I think it's something somewhat similar in Portland where you try some of these things on a local basis, but then it attracts people from all over, and then it turns into the opposite of what they'd hoped.

So I think it's something somewhat similar in Portland where you try some of these things on a local basis, but then it attracts people from all over, and then it turns into the opposite of what they'd hoped.

So I think it's something somewhat similar in Portland where you try some of these things on a local basis, but then it attracts people from all over, and then it turns into the opposite of what they'd hoped.

And it's hard to have these local solutions because it attracts those people.

And it's hard to have these local solutions because it attracts those people.